G'day all
May as well put my two bobs worth in
More wars and deaths have occurred over religion than any plague that has ever befallen mankind

My father said noone can prove god exists noone can prove he doesn't
If we live our life according to his rules and get tothe end of life and no God big deal we have lived a good life BUT if we live our life according to his rules and there is a God we may have bought a favour or two and if God is what they reckon he is a favour or two in the hip pocket might be worth having

I said to the old man that's buttering your bread both sides, Dad didn't think that to bad you only got a greasy hand and you can always wash it

As far as the bible(the book) it is more contradictory than any other writing that I have read

All I can say is that when I tried to catch that ton of steel in Nov 1985(yeah stupid I know) there was definitely something there

Yes God is supposed to be all caring loving and all those good words BUT he is also the most vile evil entity as well

Why? God says I AM ALL THINGS you imagine your worst nightmare then multiply it one thousand times over and that is what hell is

Belief is ones own and to impose that upon another is not right unless you have solid proof that there is no argument against it

Thanks All have a good life from Dave
with or without God

The Intelligent Design concept inevitably leads to the next step - the professed Biblical age of the Earth, and you just can't have a logical argument with anybody who believes The Flintstones was some sort of documentary.

Hello Wobbles- lol!
You have said the most sensible statements I have heard in this debate.
Thanks for making me laugh out loud!
Cheers,
Sue.

Sancho, good idea about a subforum for creationists.
Then again, who would we all have to argue with if they all just preached to each other on their own forum?

Oneundergod, while I appreciate your enthusiasm for your subject, I can't help but wonder if you are maybe a little too exuberant?
No doubt others on this forum have expressed concern about you before?

wobbles no one seriously thinks the earth is only 6998 years old[except the jews...but they clearly are decieved..please restict your speculations to the trhings we actually say please

sanchos quote<<creationist diehards will be convinced by observable, testable scientific data, and it's folly to try.>>.even with the three names removed its a nonsense article...expecuially to anyone reading the evidence produced here ...lol

but mate please present...your OBSERVABLE?TESTABLE SCIENTIFIC DATA...lol..your dreaming mate...try putting some up

<<They don't start these threads in order to gain knowledge;>>>knowing the evfolutionists by and large are ignorant of the facts claimed behind their god free theory...lol

<<they're testing their faith>>.a generalisation so typical of the mindless athiest evolutioists..testing my faith i care not in the least...i come from the place where i know god is real...and am confirming my hypothesis...and so far all your so called evolution '''proof'' has been fully and scientificly rebutted where it was presented

please provide proof of the proof you claim you offered[any post]i will rebut it...for a surity..you sanchos cant prove bukis..because its not science..it cant have faulsifyables..

.because every faulsifyable..you lot raise..has been proven errant/wrong/fraud/or miss reported

...im only saying evolution..isnt what you lot..think it is...

evolution..has no scientific validity..because it has no proof...cant even replicate..this first acidental/chance..life...lol...science prooves...life comes from life...live with it..till you reproduce/it its not science

lol..<<to prove beyond doubt..that no amount of factual information can shake their comfortable preconceptions>>>..

WHY DONT YOU VALIDATE THAT INSANE CLAIM....BY PRESENTING YOUR ....lol..<<'FACTUAL INFo'>>....lol

because its you lot..that have...<<comfortable preconceptions>>.lol

..imagine..you lot claim science...
yet cant even quote it....lol...ha ha ha ha
forgive them lord..

they know not why they believe/disbelieve..as they do...lol

Dear Belly,
I will try to answer your question from the only source I have which is the bible.
In the book of genecis we read that God is the creator and he made man in his own image So we are inteligent beings with the ability to reason which we do with our soul [mind,will,and emotions].
He then warns Adam Not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil for on that day you will surely die. Adam ate and what God said happened. Sin and death entered the human race. So what did God the creator, the God of Love do, remember the penalty for sin is death, He took an animal and killed it and made a covering for Adam. The life is in the blood so the blood covered Adams sin. we move on to Abraham the father of faith. At a 100 years old he sired a son out of his barren 90 year old wife. Remember "I AM" the Lord I changeth not" so can you imagine a dry barren 90 year old having a child. Impossible for man but possible with God the creator who uses the word to create. 20 years down the track God tests Abraham to see if he will still trust's his word. Take this son who I said is going to have decendants as many as the stars in the sky and sacrefice him. Abraham trusted and God Provided a goat as a subsitute for Issac. God sent his word through the prophets that he would send his son to die on the cross as a ransom to take away "not cover" the sin of the world and that includes all people not only the natural seed of Abraham. Again he supplied the sacrefice for the sheding of blood. The Law came through Moses and is a guide on how to live but does not deal with sin and death. Grace {undeserved favour} and truth came through Jesus Christ.For by Grace we are saved.