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A question
How do white moths evolve into black moths. What is the time frame.
Posted by Richie 10, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 4:18:15 PM
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Through genetic variation, mutation and natural selection. Depending on the selection pressure and how many genes control colour, anywhere between less than one year to more than a million years. Or thereabouts.

Why do you ask, do you want to tell us about the 'truth' in the bible again?
Posted by Bugsy, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 4:32:12 PM
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We Richie ten already have an active thread on evolution.
Is this an attempt to muffle it?
I understand you wish to support your view but can you answer mine?
If your God is the true and only one, the savior of ALL mankind how come he lets the others exist?
Can it be that God made some only to destroy them?
Is your God that hard hearted that he saved you but will condemn forever so many?
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 4:58:35 PM
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I'm sure he doesn't really want to deal with the venom that comes with questioning and trying to understand reasoning behind something that somehow is associated with the beliefs of some. Ironic really, considering.

I mean, Fundamental Agnostics tend to be a fraction defensive, as you've so eloquently demonstrated.

I'm outta the other thread for 24 hours because I made a comment and couple of replies. That's great. 24 hours is about the life expectancy of a convo.
Posted by StG, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 4:59:34 PM
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Richie 10, the answer to that question is to be found in any high school biology text book - as you undoubtedly know, since it was Darwin's classic example of natural selection in post-Industrial Revolution England.

At any rate, Bugsy's provided a very succinct answer above.
Posted by CJ Morgan, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 5:44:03 PM
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the standard way is to pick the darkest of the whites and gradually concentrate the genes causing the off white..untill black is reached

a few issues usually result as the line gets closer related...as not onl;y the good affects get expression but the bad as well..of course there are some that simply change colour via different diets..as well

anyhow the key is to get them out of the general population...because darwin said a random population of pigeons will retain the wild genotype ..that underpins the individual genomic phenotype

anyhow its not impossable[budgies were all green..but via selective in breeding they got many colours now...the use of mutagins...like that gout mixture makes crossover genes mutate..and if the timing of their expression is during the melinim migration the lack can be made to migrate

another aspect with moths is the shape of their wing scales..some of the beutifull colours reflect of the different scale types..there is also ther pied genbe equivent that makes patterns invert..that isnt overly complicated to figure out

anyhow regardless of what colour it still isnt any proof of evcolution as regardless of the colour they would stil be the same genus[though in time would be classiofied as a new species within its genomic family..

but that would take thousands of generations of inbreeding...and worse mating back to the wild type white wings will see the resseive white return fully...

he children are likely to be carrying the mutation to black..so up to half...via ressesive mendelic ratyio's..of the next generation will have the black..all others will be wild type[white]

anyhow that is micro evolutuion within the species..[darwin explains it well...in his evolution of the SPECIES.....not macro evolution..as espoused by those claiming micro evolutions..within species proves...lol..evolution of genus...into new genus..

pure insanity ...simply speaking not one exta genus mutation case recorded...let alone proven...ever..thus revealing the deception of evolution theory
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 6:11:58 PM
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