buggsbunny quote<<..Personally,I would lay off the 'genus' stuff for a while,..it makes you look rather ignorant..to those that actually know what one..(and how they're 'made').>>>.golly gosh dear buggs..[bunny]

please enlighten us genious..on how genus are 'made'...lol

its sad you persist in being so completly and arragantly...ignorant

droll...lol

keep dancing funny boy...get some learning about the topic..learn your genus from the species...

darwin knew the difference...[not sure if the dorkins do..

still note darwin wrote..''evolutuion of SPECIES''..not genus..[and its genus evolving into other genus..that evolution/THEORY..espouses...yet has no shed of evidence for..

thus you nutters keep saying either or speci-ating..when you should be genu-s- reflecting..genuflecting]..on genus..

be attempting to be validating evolution of genus..into new genus...thats the theory...thats totally theory..

not one change of genus ever recorded or observed...this means evolution of genus is unlikely..to ever be..scientificly valid/let alone validated by science method...

thus its faith based belief..not science...live with it bugsy

A 'genus' is a taxonomic classification that is determined by taxonomists.

If you want to see a species change from one genus into another, behold the species Helicoverpa amigera. It used to be in the genus Heliothis, but now is in a new genus! Behold, evolution at the stroke of a pen!

Genera are just taxonomic classifications that are used reflect groups of species. At the species level, species themselves are defined quite differently, by using criteria that reflect biological realities, like being able to mate with each other and produce viable offspring (but that isn't necessarily the only criteria used).

As I said, the only people you might fool using that line of argument OUG are those that don't know any better. At least most of those that don't, don't pretend that they do.

So we have a raft of individuals here now addmitting their manner of thinking is not based in intelligent design. The asumption is: the brain has no capacity of reasoning, logic or design other than what humans have agreed upon. Can we believe their conclusions? However we do have some here whose reasoning is rather fuzzy who believe the human brain has innate design and logic patterns that can be verified and are part of the human experience and they have concluded there is design and logic in the universe.

Runner,
There are two differences between you and I. I accept your right to have your opinions and your right to to be wrong.

sadly buggs bunney your decieved as well as decieving

Heliothis
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Heliothis

Definition..Heliothis is a genus
http://www.ozanimals.com/Insect/Native-Budworm,-Heliothis-punctigera/Helicoverpa/punctigera.html

A genus is a low-level taxonomic rank used in the classification of living and fossil organisms...The taxonomic ranks are domain.., kingdom..,..phylum,..class..,..order..,..family..,..genus,..and species....of moth

A moth is an insect closely related to the butterfly,..both being of the Order Lepidoptera...The differences between butterflies and moths are more than just taxonomy....whose larva

A larva is a young form of animal with indirect developmental biology, going through or undergoing metamorphosis...The larva can look completely different from the adult form,..for example, a caterpillar differs from a butterfly....

there are agricultural pests on crop species such as tobacco

.Several of the species formerly placed in this genus are now in the genus Helicoverpa

Helicoverpa is a genus of moth in the Noctuidae family.It contains the following species:* Cotton Bollworm Helicoverpa armigera* Confused Moth ...

Heliothis is a genus
A genus is a low-level taxonomic rank used in the classification of living and fossil organisms. . Species include:
Heliothis peltigera
The Bordered Straw is a species of moth of the family Noctuidae. It is found in Southern Europe and the Near East, but can be found further North too, because it is a migratory species....
heliothis virescens

Oneundergod, how nice to see you extolling the virtues of our natural world, brought to us all through the wonders of evolution and natural selection.

Makes a change from preaching to us about the virtues of a fictitional creator. There's hope for you yet!