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Evolution where to now
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Posted by Squeers, Saturday, 3 October 2009 1:22:08 PM
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squeers<<..the mainstream churches,..funded by taxpayers,>>can we agree on a large degree of subsidy and favourable tax treatment[by govt]...and then speculate maybe tithe from the loyal faithfull..[funding elite capital raising/franchises,under any pretence
<,are at the forefront when it comes to converting ideology into capital.>..ok give me..that..the dorkins..is making money from sheeple too...that..big pharma gets the largest govt subsidy/ followed closely by its parental big petrochemical/industries/war and other finantial/medical or education[re-education... dumbing down...the churches..barely rate in comparison..[noting big petro chemical/war..needs big roads/toll/ways etc <<helping to make voodoo look credible.>>.im often told i make anything i suport look bad/...creditable is a thing i hope not to achieve..[as blame inevitably follows accreditisation <<Some people..like to see that they're on a winner!>>..im with telstra..because it shows my ongoing right's/communal ownership rights [previously held by 15 million phone subscibers[now held by 1.4 million thieving capitalists..my claiom hasnt lapsed..[thus my claim upon...those who stole it]...in standing on principle..it isnt about price you..in supporting these foreign offshore multinational conglomerates are..the ones who have seen the price of phone/web connection remain elivated..due to debt burdons/duplication of cheap temp network franchises...while the acces we are allowed doth ever diminish... noting much i used to do..i cant now...because of copyright restrictions..saying...'not allowed in your cuntry <<prophecy is what is read 'into' holy text,>>..perpetual increase/proffit is built into free/enterprize..which is all/most finite. Posted by one under god, Saturday, 3 October 2009 2:39:13 PM
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Examinator,
<<It seems one more nail in the Religious Fundamentalist 'intelligent design' argument.>> In order to put another nail in the coffin of Creationism, we’d have to exhume the body carefully, then gently press the nail into the soft, rotten wood in order to prevent to coffin from falling to pieces before we can put it back in its 150 year old grave. In other words, Creationism was dead and buried a long time ago. It’s now just a small fraction of loonies who are pretending it’s still alive. <<It is argued that humans are the only species to have changed the WORLD environment and are altering natural selection with drugs and soon genetically. Or are we simply altering the direction of evolution? In which case how will we evolve (into), why ?>> By developing drugs and coming up with medical procedures, I think we’ve pretty much brought Human evolution to a grinding halt (for now) because nature now plays an extremely small role in who dies and who goes on to re-produce. Posted by AJ Philips, Saturday, 3 October 2009 3:51:47 PM
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1) “ It is argued that humans are the only species to have changed the WORLD environment”
Not so – a number of species have changed the world environment. Early micro-organisms are believed to oxygenized the atmosphere .The spread of land plants no doubt had a profound affect on world climate & geology. 2) “ how will we evolve (into), why ?” I ( & many others ) anticipated the next phase will be through IT. In particular AI, but calling it AI seems to imply that intelligence & consciousness outside the hominid body is not the real/legitimate thing. I have a hunch that the reverse is true – conscious inside the hominid body is merely coincidental ¬–and that its evolution/migration from a limited fresh & blood medium to potentially unlimited electronic medium will be the next evolutionary leap .Not us versus the machine --simply, us. Viva la singularity Posted by Horus, Saturday, 3 October 2009 6:25:28 PM
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AJ Philips,
I think you're right about intelligent design (sic). in that it is clearly man's creation not objectively observational. However, I'm a firm believer that like the 1st law of thermodynamics, evolution can't be created or stopped/interrupted (destroyed). I tend to think that time equals change (evolution) and vise versa. In that context I reason that instead we may altering its course but to delay or stop it is historically illogical and implies gross human arrogance which I reject. Posted by examinator, Saturday, 3 October 2009 6:25:39 PM
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Examinator,
I think you’re mistaking ‘energy’ for ‘evolution’. Evolution is not a form of energy, and the 1st law of thermodynamics doesn’t apply to it at all. Evolution is essentially just the concept of biological change over time. That’s it. By the way, I liked the “sic” after “Intelligent Design”. I prefer use its original term “Creationism” though, because ID (or “Intellectual Dishonesty” if you will) only came about as a sneaky and deceitful way to attempt to slip Creationism into the classrooms by taking the word “God” out of the equation (Google “of pandas and people” for the full story on this (http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&source=hp&q=of+pandas+and+people&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=0&oq=of+panda&fp=803bcfc5f369f9b)), but as the judge at the Dover trial ruled, ID is still religious - and he’s a devout church-going Christian (so was one of the plaintiffs in the case for that matter). Posted by AJ Philips, Saturday, 3 October 2009 7:11:00 PM
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the mainstream churches, funded by taxpayers, are at the forefront when it comes to converting ideology into capital. Even the free radicals (the Swedenborgs of the world....like yourself?) actually contribute to this gravy train by helping to make voodoo look credible. Some people will always go with Telstra, even when the upstart competition is half the price ..... but they like to see that they're on a winner!
Finally, prophecy is what is read 'into' holy text, which is almost infinite.