Obama is sabre rattling over the possible Iranian Nuclear Bomb development.How can Iran be a possible threat to the USA,when the USA could wipe them from the planet many times over? Israel is estimated to have between 100-200 Nuclear warheads.China,India and Russia have far more.Vietamn was a lie and so were the weapons of mass destructions in Iraq.There is much oil and gas in Azerbaijan,Kazakhstan and Turkmanistan just above Afghanistan,but to make it economically vaiable,they need pipelines through Afghanistan and Pakistan to the sea.Is the War on Terror just a co-incidence?

Obama just enacted leglisation that by-passes Congress enabling him to imprison people because the Govt claims that they are likely to engage in violent acts in the future because they are considered alledged illegal combatants.see http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/09/obama-will-bypass-congress-to-detain-suspects-indefinitely/

Obama still has the executive powers created by G Bush and has elected to extend the Patriot Act.

This Thursday 8 Oct there will be a public meeting hosted by Lee Rhiannon,Greens MLC and others at the Sydney Town Hall about the Afghan War from 5.30 pm -7.00pm.Get concerned and involved since there are serious changes happening in the USA that the pop media ignores.

Old selfish men with flagging libedos create wars for profit,while young men die for no good reason.

obama couldnt look the palistein dude in the eyes...clearly there is deception afoot...israel might do its insanity...if so let thgings fall as they will...keep out of national disutes usa...

its bad enough your warmongers have indebited your people..that you serve the ursuror banking cartel blindly..that your forcing medical insurance on your people...for the insurance industry..[not guarenteeing them medical aid]...

one trillion of aid has gone to israel...more than one third of usa aid...to one vocal overepresented body..stealing others lands..and doing far worse..for far longer than what was done to them..by the same mob after the their..'homeland';

..guns dont make peace..strong leaders enforce it..might is not right..but might..to make murder is wrong...

let israel bring on its armogeddon...but keep out of it..your hands are filthy enough..as it is...by their/your deeds are you known..

no more war to steal others lands/supress..others culture/..others beliefs...imposing death/war impoverishment..for what a huge lie..judean isnt jew..jew means bolchovic/...jesus was galilean..but then they did kill jesus too....

fair enough bring on your messiah...you will only murder him..again..when he dont say..what you murderors need to hear

Why does everyone presume that Irans nuclear weapons will be used offensively? The Israelis illegal nuclear weapons are supposedly for defense purposes as are the US ones and all the other countries who have them. Why would the Iranians commit suicide by using them? They know the retaliation would be overwhelming and mean the end of them and their country.

What would change if they had them? The end of belligerence and warmongering against the Iranians thats what. No more threats and "special ops" against Iran once they have the bomb. No more slandering and lieing about the leaders of Iran. Maybe they might actually have to deal with the Iranians diplomatically for once. Negotiate and compromise. Work for an agreement for once instead of just dictating what we want to the rest of the world.

Until the rest of the world makes serious moves to get rid of there own arsenals then they dont have a leg to stand on when calling for Iran (or any other country) to get rid of or stop developing their own weapons.

Obama is head of the UN now, so....that means the NWO is afoot. Strikes against Iran might take place after a fake attack on the US, like the 9/11.

Actually, silly as it sounds, the fanatics could launch a nuclear
attack, missile, or shipping container on the US.

The certain US retaliation would be OK because all good moslems would
be in paradise.
So whats the problem ?

Sounds silly doesn't it, well from our perspective anyway.

Whats that I have been hearing about suicide bombers ?

Sometimes I find myself having to remind myself of the way things are as distinct from the way I'd idealistically like them to be.

In this regard, I had opportunity to "strike up a few conversations" with some of the diplomats when in Geneva in 2000 at the Human Rights Conference.

The impression that I gained at that time was not that some of the n.americans' behavior in the international arena is not dissaproved of, but rather that the alternatives to them are all far worse.

So, we know that the only ones to abuse offensive nuke tech is n.america. They have polluted their own rain and also large tracts of the other parts of the planet with enrichment waste dust, not to mention Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Further, they were instrumental in erecting the monster Saddam Hussein, not to mention O.B.L., and executed him before he could testify against them. And they provided biological W.M.D.'s to him to use in the war against Iran. They have of their own admission a vast array and variety of nuke weapons and as of last I heard continue in the development of same.

I would have to say that i.m.o. it is reasonable to conclude that the n.americans have very little credibility in that area of the world and their policy of do as we say and not as we do is unacceptable to many, however, Iranian rhetoric in regards to wiping Israel off the map, their own frothing at the mouth fanatical regime and the alleged treatment of their own people, coupled with 2nd generation Jewish Holocaust hysteria presents a dangerous cocktail when it comes to pointing nuke tipped rockets at other states. Nobody is very keen about it and accidents can happen.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the fruit cake cleric running Iran didn't "reason" that it was Allah's will for Iran to possess such capability and to protect this secret authorised the fraudulent keeping of Ahmanidinijad in place.

I think you haven't really thought this one through Arjay.

The problem is this: If Iran has the bomb, then all other ME
countries will want the bomb, Saudi Arabia being the first. Do
not forget that Shia and other muslims are in fact competitors.

So If Saudi Arabia and Kuwait get the bomb, then Turkey will want
the bomb, then Lebanon will want the bomb, etc.

If you think that the world will be a better place, when every
tinpot dictatorship has the bomb, then go right ahead.

Arjay,

Iran is 'lead' by full blown nutters mate. Pure and simple. They've sworn to wipe Israel and everyone who's not a Muslim off the map.

I'd be agreeing with you if we were talking about Switzerland being blocked by the yanks, but we aren't, we're talking about people who hold Holocaust denial conferences and also say:

"peace - whether according to the Arab or the American formula - is tantamount to recognizing the brutal and artificial Zionist regime," and said that "unless this regime is completely eradicated from the region's political map, no Middle East peace is possible."

and

"It seems that the Palestinian people's warfare [against the Zionists] has found its mark, and [therefore] the Palestinians must not be satisfied with anything less than the annihilation of the Zionist regime - a goal that [today] is within reach."

Have a flick through this.

http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD256309

Dunno about you mate, but they are trouble with a capital 'N', for Nuke. There is NO WAY Israel will allow them to have nuclear capability. Not a snow ball's chance in hell.

If you all go back to late Aug 07 you will remember George Bush Jr making serious threats against Iran.I remember saying that he was,"F#*king mad!"He was threatening to launch a nuclear strike on Iran.

Perhaps it was more than a mere threat.see http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=23648 On Aug 30 there was an incident of a B52 Bomber that flew form Nth Dakota to Barksdale Lousiana carrying advanced cruise missiles with a capacity of nukes up to the power of 150 million tonnes of tnt.

G Bush senior back in 1991 prohibited this practise since it was too dangerous.There are stories of it in the military that they were intended for Iran but senior personal in the airforce over road the Bush/Cheney directive and stopped the attack.

Stg and Yabby.Not all Muslims are fanatics,they are people like you and I.If the US foreign policy was more sane,the we would not be in this present debacle.It is all about the power fo oil and it is about time we all grew up and put in place policies that are fair for all.

Arjay, "Stg and Yabby.Not all Muslims are fanatics..."

I didn't say they were.

I think you're naive Arjay. Solely blaming the yanks for the 'debacle' is SO understating the issue it comes across as though either you're just stirring or you need to expand your mind a fraction and get past the bollocks floating around the web and in your sphere of influence.

It's about religion, it's about oil and gas, it's about arrogance and ignorance, it's about human nature, it's about individual agendas and power. On ALL sides

Stg Study this website http://www.ae911truth.org/ very carefully,then you will understand.The new scientific evidence is irrefutable.

It's a conspiracy theorists website Arjay. I think you're choosing to ignore the truth for what you want to believe, or what sounds the most interesting. The truth is Arjay, we as a species are fundamentally flawed. You want to believe that some evil is getting in the road of some utopian perfect earth when really the evil is merely human nature.

Humans are flawed right down to the individual. Why do you think people do bad things...or is that the yanks fault too?.

You know Iran was just found with uranium plant and just tested some new missiles?. How does that enter into your great American evil conspiracy matey?.

iran followed all the rules..usa didnt discover the new plant it was announced..then obama beat the issue up...it wasnt much of a secret..i heard talk about the secret plant 6 mths ago...clearly intel should have been knowing about it..long ago

iran unlike israel puts up with compulsory spying on its nuclear stock..unlike israel that dosnt explain nothing to no one...its pathetic when wew realise yanks built the facility for iran 30 years ago...before it decided to shred iran to bits...via their co conspiritor..iraq and former cia agent/provocateur saddamm insane]

we have this insane position where a 2000 year old blood fude[against the macabees oppressing a sect]...used as excuse to murder till even these days...just as ye shall not forget the 6 million[but shall forget the 25 million xtians murderd by the zionist bolcxhovics

[now living unholy..wholy in the holy lands rewriting biblical histry as it see fit]..being this faulse gate keeper...claiming the absurdity of being alone the gods people..

being alone able to enter heaven..being allowed alone to destroy all goy..non jew..allowed alone to run govt/media/law/educatrion/medicine/agriculture franchises..let the people of god reveal grace/mercy/love...for

by their deeds they reveal to serve the lord of this realm..not the creator of all lifeliving in all the realms..by their deeds are they revealed ...there simply speaking is no partner for peace...yet they claim to be the people of the peacemaker...lol...such a joke

know the nature of the zionista
http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=4573
http://whatreallyhappened.com/lavon.html
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/motherofallscandals.html
http://mondoweiss.net/2009/09/falk-goldstone-bombshell-will-fray-jewish-support-for-israel.html

Former FBI agent backs up Sibel Edmonds allegations of corruption/treachery.
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7439
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/9/28/787353/-The-Media:-Israel-and-Nuclear-Weapons
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/goldstein.html
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7&section=0&article=126805&d=28&m=9&y=2009

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE58P27U20090926
A U.N. fact-finding mission led by South African jurist Richard Goldstone issued a report last week that said both the Israeli army and Palestinian militants had committed war crimes, and possibly crimes against humanity,during the December-January war in the Gaza Strip.
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=227952
Webmaster's Commentary:
Reuters is trying to make it sound like both sides are equally guilty, but of course reading the actual report it is clear that Israel was the overwhelmingly guilty party here, all the more so because they broke the cease fire with HAMAS on November 4th of last year.
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=228238
Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Muallem urges Israel to yield to the demands pressed by the UN nuclear watchdog and open its nuclear sites to inspection.

The Syrian diplomat said on Monday that the Israeli regime must place all its nuclear installations under the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) safeguards, and adhere to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=107363&sectionid=351020202
http://politicaltheatrics.org/2009/09/28/israel-deliberately-escalating-tensions-in-occupied-j%E2%80%99lem/
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/trinitite.html?q=trinitite.html

http://mondoweiss.net/2009/09/on-yom-kippur.html

Stg just closes his eyes.Almost 900 Architects and Engineers from http://www.ae911truth.org and scientists have positive proof that explosives were used to bring down WTC twin powers but also building 7 186 m tall which no plane impacted.The evidence is irrefutable!

Good grief.

Arjay, you seem to have the conspiracy disease bad. Indeed, the symptoms seem to be getting more extreme. Get help.

Arjay, do you do anything except browse the conspiracy sites?

I've already commented on the ridiculousness of your claim that there is "positive proof that explosives were used to bring down WTC", and pointed out that far from being irrefutable, the facts are merely manipulated to fit your loony-tunes theories.

Or should I say, other people's loony-tunes theories; you're just a carrier.

"The evidence that nanothermite was present in samples of dust taken from the vicinity of the towers is irreducibly vague. It talks about the presence of aluminium and iron oxide in samples, as if the only way their presence could be justified was in nano-thermite form. Conveniently ignoring that the building contained thousands of tons of aluminium, and significant amounts of rust, simply because it was... a building."

Now it seems you have found another one.

>>[Bush] was threatening to launch a nuclear strike on Iran. Perhaps it was more than a mere threat.see http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=23648<<

If you are unable to see that the "chain of evidence" that is produced here is nothing more than a farrago of random facts pieced together with wild speculation, then you are simply unable to recognize reality.

Get help, before it rots your brain completely.

“Obama just enacted leglisation that by-passes Congress enabling him to imprison people because the Govt claims that they are likely to engage in violent acts in the future because they are considered alledged illegal combatants”

I bet the “wets” would crawl out from under their stones and have been up in arms, marching on Washington from all corners if GWB and the Republicans had dared do such things….

“This Thursday 8 Oct there will be a public meeting hosted by Lee Rhiannon,Greens MLC”

Like I said, “I bet the “wets” would crawl out from under their stones…..”..... it looks like they have

“Old selfish men with flagging libedos create wars for profit,while young men die for no good reason.”

Ah the hue and cry of the pacifists.. it is a shame Hitler had never heard of that when he walked into Czechoslovakia, Austria and Poland and Brezhnev never heard of it when he too walked over Czechoslovakia for at least the second time.

Me thinks far from having flagging libidos, the pacificists are neutered at birth and thus experience no “libido” at all.

“.The new scientific evidence is irrefutable.”

Ah I love "irrefutable scientific evidence", once upon a time they said the same about the benefits of smoking and DDT.

(just as they say AGW is "real" - what crock of doggie doos).

All that glitters is not gold..and much of what is written is not necessarily based on facts...Inside these dark clouds of deception and serious questions there are still many ways to separate fact from fiction.

This article is about a recent case in point..that has been branded as a HOAX...However this label can have several purposes beyond the obvious...For instance one was used to shroud an act of Treason committed by none other than ‘president’..Lyndon Baines Johnson,..during the Israeli attack upon the USS Liberty during the 1967 War..

.The same label was recently applied to a story about the H1 N1 vaccine..gmo but who is explaining....that was supposedly..given to members of the US military...The story said that some people died..and that many were infected:..and within a few hours of publication the story was branded as a HOAX...but yet it was true too



The connection between these two stories:..The current..“HOAX” regarding the H1N1 Flu being given to US military personnel with lethal results..and the story about the attempt to sink the USS Liberty..(42 years ago),..both involved the claim for a HOAX;..

and both came directly from the US Military..which had very much to lose in either instance—If these two very different stories had ever become part of the public’s knowledge.

NWO From Mouths of The Elite
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkKbE9qCzQo
The People Fighting You,..One-Worldlers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9Veie-IZVQ

Now the fun starts...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IeixTAzhjE
Propping-up the Credit markets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLyzjpFOk1k
Every facet of Western Society has been subverted http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zjUwwkM64U

The video Obama would prefer you didn't watch! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sawN7uJ8s8s
Nature? Accident?Biological Warfare? http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/696.html

Makers of vaccine refuse to take H1N1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4SmFxyust0
Plan for Mass Vaccinations/Quarantines
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEzj2CATQ1o

No to S.F.! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiXmw5a9kiM

Gov. Can http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO2eh6f5Go0
Mad as hell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dib2-HBsF08

How things have changed.
It was the Americans that pushed Iran into adopting a nuclear power industry during the Shah's reign and made it essential that they do their own refining to make it economically viable.
It was their support of that repressive regime that resulted in the rise of Islamic fundamentalism.
It was Israel who saw Iran as a "natural ally" in the region and worked with them to develop missile systems.
How things have changed.

If you all care to go to the website and actually view it then you can lay claim to some credibility if you actually view it!http://www.ae911truth/

1/WTC Towers come down just after an hour of fire.No concrete reinforeced building have ever come down in histroy even after 24 hrs of intense heat.

2/ Jet fuel will only burn to half the melting [point of steel,yet we see molten iron pouring from the sides of the towers just prior collapse.Workers reported molten steel flowing like creeks in the rubble.Fire burned for weeks after since nano-thermite has it's own oxygen supply and can burn underground.There is photo graphic evidence of huge steel beams that look as an oxy torch had cut them.

3/ All three building came down at nearly the free fall speed of gravity.[9.8m per sec squared]Usng the official pancake theory of gravity and the weight of the top section building crushing the rest of the structure.This is impossible.If the energy of gravity is used to crush both steel and concrete then it's progress must be substancially slowed.

4/There was no visual pancaking of concrete structures in the rubble.Most of the concrete was pulverised to dust.

5/Steel girders weighing many tonnes were hurled horizontally at over 100 km per hr.Some were noted to explode in mid air and change direction.

6/See the new video of the north tower taken from a helicopter.You can see the canopy of the initial explosion,then underneath this explosions rippling below in perfectly timed sequence.See the individual explosions known as squibs in the demolition industry at least 70 metres below the major explosion zone.

7/Prof Niels Harrit and 8 other scientists in April this yr has positive scientic proof of nano-thermite being present in both the dust and rubble of WTC.Unreated active nan-thermite was also found.How does a highly sophistocated explosive known only to the US military get into 3 buildings?

900 architects and engineers eh?.

Bet there's 100,000 that think it's bollocks. Thing is, they don't have the time to waste making tin foil hats.

......continued
8/It took 6yrs for a report to be done on WTC Building 7 until recently I did not know existed.It took 411 days to initiate an official investigation into the WTC Towers and only a week to investigate Pearl Harbour.Why? Building 7 came down in a classic controlled demolition from the bottom down into it's own footprint.Firstly it crimps in the middle[see the top service structure disappear first]as the central columns are blown.400 steel columns have to fail in perfectlty timed sequenced order for a 186m building to come down in this fashion in 6.5 sec,the freefall speed of gravity.It is scientifically impossible!

9/Whenever contact is lost with any aeroplane,fighter jets routinely take to the air and investigate within 20 minutes.This happens 100 times a yr in the US.On 911 it two hrs passed with no interceptions.

10/Secret service insiders broke established protocols by allowing Pres Bush to remain in a well publised classromm "photo op" long after it was known that the US was under attack.How could Bush know within a few seconds of ear whispering what was really happening? My first reaction would be to stand up,be astonished and get more
information in the privacy of a back room.Goerge Bush reacted as if he knew exactly what what happening.

11/Unindentified insiders made millions on the stocks of American and United Airlines and those of other Corps "put option " bets just prior 911.

12/ Zbigniew Brzezinski in his book "The Grand Chess Board" 1998
"More over as America becomes increasingly multi-cultural society,it may find it more difficult to fashion a consensus on foreign issues,except in the circumstances of a truely massive and widely perceived direct external threat."Enter their saviour Osama Bin Laden whose family has close monetary ties with the Bush family.Zbig as he is known,is Obama's foreign policy guru.

There are hundreds of anomolies in regards to 911.The more you dig, the more incredulous becomes the official story.

Isn't it amazing that all Pericles,stg and Col Rouge can offer is character assassination by alluding to conspiracy mental dis-order, without refuting the scientific evidence.Who has the real credibility?

How is it possible for buildings to collapse at the free speed of gravity like a feather on the moon,when the opposing forces of the building structure slows dramatically both it's acceleration and speed.Show me the scientific evidence to back your arguments you intellectual cowards.

Arjay, the evidence is there for all to see.

>>Isn't it amazing that all Pericles,stg and Col Rouge can offer is character assassination by alluding to conspiracy mental dis-order<<

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/user.asp?id=4915&show=history

Sifting through that load of rubble can lead to only one conclusion, I'm afraid.

Have a great day.

Arjay “How is it possible for buildings to collapse at the free speed of gravity like a feather on the moon,when the opposing forces of the building structure slows dramatically both it's acceleration and speed.Show me the scientific evidence to back your arguments you intellectual cowards.

I saw the video footage live on TV.

The plane hit the building about ¾ up its height

There was then a delay, before the effects of

1 metal vaporization of the structure on the impact levels and
2 the combined weight of the upper levels

collapsed downward,

3 with an increasing weight and forces of momentum, assisted by gravity,

they crushed the lower levels, just like a moving truck hitting a stationary vehicle (only more so).

And I bet no one ever did a computer model of what would happen if those towers were hit, beforehand.

Want to call me a coward.. go ahead.. but speaking personally, I think those who seek some excitement in their lives by believing conspiracy theories should first consult with their nearest pixie ring.

Now back to those pesky bumble bees… the ratio of their wing area to body mass means they just can’t fly… but they do!

Its another conspiracy!

col/quote..<<I...saw..The plane hit the building..about ¾ up its height>>visit http://digg.com/lbv.php?id=15290139&ord=1..as it is usually censord try these search options
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=911+impact+annotomy&search_type=&aq=f

..see the planes hit..near floors..95/96..of a 110 story buildings..hardly the 75th floor as your saying

<<There was then a delay>>...because the structure..wasnt mortally broken...these 3 buildings...are the ONLY ones..EVER...to collapse..there have burned longer/hotter fires/and been bigger planes hit buildings..to no colkapsing/afect,...

the only buildings ever to get..specific insurance under act of terror[via isreal insurance..who paid out immediatly..to a fellow non-goy

the buildings..were under order..to remove asbestos[two billion/plus..thus he got a 99 year lease..for near nothing...he still retains the lease..over the new improved..[asbestos free...lol..]..buildings

<<metal vaporization>>>needs way hotter temps..than smouldering office furnature

<<the combined weight of the upper levels>>..was fully supported FROM THE OUTSIDE..where no fire was...the inside hit..where the cranes[4] were built on..thus were special; hardened...thicker/stronger..that its thicker than armour plate[and was completly undamaged]...

under your presumed weakend point..[on one corner..yet the building didnt lean...it..[all of it failed..[was made to fail..at the same time

how is via busche's brother..who ran security in the building..noting busches vp[cheeney]..stood down the airforce..that normally would respond..an act of high treason..a power..he only used one time...lol..the day we got..911...lol

<<with an increasing..weight and forces of momentum,>>presuming your thinking pancake afect..[of all the floors pancaking down...thing is the main steelframe core STILL STOOD/..resisting the fall beyond ''freefall''..ie no resistance..as metal sheers..[but they smelted the metal..so no one can prove shear affect..or blast melt

<<assisted by gravity,..they>>>who is they...lol

<<they crushed the lower levels,>>.collapsed..via shearing off the main supports symoultainiously...mate..it hit..one..corner..get it?

http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=14&MMN_position=20:20

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&rls=MEDA%2CMEDA%3A2008-36%2CMEDA%3Aen-GB&q=911+impact+floors+height&btnG=Search&meta=
http://www.google.com.au/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=gd&q=911+impact+height&hl=en-GB&rls=MEDA,MEDA:2008-36,MEDA:en-GB

you have only opinion col
rebut facts mate

your allowing faulse memory..to misslead you and others
revieuw arjays facts mate...

just as bummble-bees fly
so might pigs

or steel/frame buildings collapse..lol

but histry recordes..only 3....ever..colapsed..

all on..one day...

why is that day special..col?

because we needed..to be able to have govt change laws..so we all become terrorists...that govt can tort-ure

we are put on special lists
lists mate...

just like the commies/natzies..

if your not on one..your a sheeple...mindless drones...opinating...not confirming/validating/nor rebutting/dis-proving/testing/questioning

Arjay,

"Show me the scientific evidence to back your arguments you intellectual cowards."

*shakes head* You just cut and pasted someone elses opinion, Arjay.

Not one point refuted successfully.Just general lame explanations that do not confront the reality.

No building can collapse at the freefall speed of gravity without some serious external force destroying it's integrety.Gravity and the momentum of the building are not enough.The energy put into pancaking[the official theory] must slow the speed of collapse to far less than free fall speeds.That is a mathematica/physics fact.Building 7 186mtall coame down in 6.5 sec or an average speed of 28m/sec or 103 km per hr.Now that's incredible.

Perhaps god came in for that moment and suspended the laws of physics so George Bush could have his day in the sun.

Arjay,

The reason you haven't got anything serious out of me is because you started out talking about a topic that piqued my interest regarding the Seppo's and the Middle East. You wound up ranting about 9/11.

I mean, what the...?.

What do you want me to say. Yeah, there's some questions that need answering?. But who do you want to answer them; ME??.

I've seen "Loose Change". I know exactly what you're on about. But what makes you think I'm in a position to give you concise retorts when here I am in rural Qld THOUSANDS of miles away from New York and ANY chance I might have at forming a resonable argument.

Rave all ya want mate. But you're only yapping at a wall.

Stg. I did not make the initial acusation of myself being a conspiracy theorist.This was made by others like yourself to discredit my arguments.Hence I've had to defend what I believe.

Only the small secrets need to be hidden,since the really big ones are hidden by our incredulity.They wouldn't dare would they?It has taken me months to wrap my brain around this betrayal of all people of good faith.Envision this.There have been for over 100 yrs an all powerful elite who have orchestrated wars,recessions and depressions just by the power of creating money.They have determined who gets into Govt by owning and controlling the media.Once you control the media,then anything becomes possible.

Stg"Rave on mate you're yapping at a wall." You are insulting your own intelligence stg.

See John Pilger's article "The Lying Game" http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23597.htm

Pilger "Iran's crime is that it wants independance from the USA."Iran has just dumped $US for the Euro when trading.The US has mortally wounded itself economically and has the most powerful war machine on the planet.The temptation now is to take what they cannot produce in order to get out of debt.

They are on the war mongering trail now considering all sorts of options for limited nuclear wars,since the Chinese will crush them with numbers in a conventional war

*The temptation now is to take what they cannot produce in order to get out of debt.*

Er not so Arjay, because the US owes US $, not Euros, not Ringgit,
not Swiss francs.

The Chinese, if they pulled out their US$, which they have been
squirreling away for years, one way or another, are fully aware
that without the US export market, the first thing to suffer would
be their own export market. The US could quite easily pay off its
debt by simply printing $!

Yabby when the USA or any country simply prints money,they may reduce their debt but they then destroy their own economy through hyper-inflation,and rising unemployment[stagflation].

When Govts or banks counterfeit our currency,they destroy the savings and value of people's production in the form of wages.Industry collapses and hence there are food and consumerable shortages.If the USA had serious hyper-inflation as in the Weimar Republic,China would refuse to sell them anything.China has a huge untapped domestic market of 900 million people.As education progresses there,so will their market.

Why deal in white,trailer,trash counterfeit money?

Arjay, both Japan and China have played pretty dirty in the trade
wars, making sure that their currencies stay low, in order to
accumulate $ to their advantage. The US $ has been overvalued
for ages, for this very reason.

There is no shortage of food or consumer items in the US. If
China does not like US $, they had better stop shipping their
goods there! SE Asia has to learn to play fair in the trade
wars, something they are not really good at. Now they have
what they wanted, a big pile of US $. So who is stupid
here?

The $ US has also been kept artificially high by virtue of being a petro $ medium of trade.

Yabby,it is worth looking at Pliger's article "the Lying game" http://www.informationclearing house.info/article23597.htm

Pliger "Obama's media rhetoric is about a world with nuclear weapons.In fact,he is the Pentagon's most important acquisition.His acquiescence with its demands that he the keep on Bush's secretary of defence,and arch war makes,Robert Gates,is unique in US history.He has proved his worth with escallated wars from South Asia to the Horn of Africa.Like Bush's Amrica,Obama's America is run by some very dangerous people.We have a right to be warned.When will those paid to keep the record straight ,do their job?"

These are the most dangerous times in our history,with an extremely unstable USA entertaining the use of limited nuclear strikes on weaker countries based on hysteria.

There is not doubt in my mind or credible people like John Pilger that the USA is far from being a democracy and the industrial military complex that JFK and others refer to,have a strangle hold on power.

Arjay, "You are insulting your own intelligence stg"

Wow, that's great. Way to find a low point.

StG.To sling the mud of no integrety is fine by me,but don't complain when some of it rebounds in the form of truth upon yourself.

Integrity. Didn't think you could recognise it.

I think I mentioned there's definitely questions that need answering Arjay. What's the point of posting this stuff here, and then rampaging if people just roll their eyes at you?.

Get a blog and disable comments if you don't want people opposing your view.

...well, the views of others that you just cut and paste.

So Arjay, perhaps you had better mention what you would do, if
you were Obama.

Pack up and leave Iraq tomorrow, ignoring the wishes of the Iraqi
Govt, for a slow but steady handover?

Hand Afghanistan back to the Taliban perhaps? Bring back Mullah
Omar, have Osama pose as a tourist attraction perhaps?

Ok, so despite Iran being a banana republic, with crazy leaders
now and in the past, you think they should have the bomb. So
you then accept that every country in the ME will also want the
bomb, but you don't seem to see a problem with that?

Arjay, I don't really think that you have thought this through too
well.

yabby<<what you would do,..if
you were Obama.>>obama will only do..as kissenger advises him to do[obama interned under kissenger...he's the one that built the..'man'..i wouldnt have made a deal..with the servants of demons..in the first place

<<ignoring the wishes of the Iraqi Govt,>>the puppet govt who has stood by..while over one..,million of its people got murded/2 million displaced from the area...in case you missed it..the former/leader is a stooge...basic services are worse than when sadam/insane..[former/cia agent]..murderd a few thousand curds..[stirred upo by agent provocateurs from israel/usa intel

what you see as..<<a slow..but steady handover>>is a minority takeover[ethnic cleansing..of a rival sect]

<<Hand Afghanistan..back to the Taliban perhaps?>>>taliban was a yanki/mossad security operation..to destabilise the major oil suppliers..[lest we forget saudies were instaLLED..thanks to major interfearance of the same power hungry warmongers..[cleaning up- from ever bigger war's...with an underlying plan..to bring on armogeddon for the zionista/xtian end time nutters....

ensured[and underwrittenn by the drugs in afganastan..that[are run by us security agencies..[to create black funds..to do their slimy ways,and secret operations.destabilisation beyonmd budgetary restraints gifted them by govt

<<Ok,so despite Iran being a banana republic,>>.thanks to decades of sanctions..for often spurilous missrepresentations..[and deceptive/selective aberant reporting..by the zionist media

<<you think they should have the bomb.>>i think that any fool can destroy...i pray to god that if the bombs ever fly...the bombers[organisers/planners/and their braindead stooges/get theirs[first]

<<So/you then accept that every country in the ME will also want the
bomb,>>get israel to allow inspections...and get your mates to declair the 400 nuke bombs in israel..[then others mightent fear the retards bringing on armogreddon..[yet again]...hoping for a diffent messiah..[than the one..who revealed loving god..[by loving neighbour

its sad yabby...but i agree...mate...<<I don't really..think that you have>>>researched the full fact's...nor<<thought it through too..>>..

where..your zionist pals..plan to end their fun and games..upon the goyum..you know only jews..go to heaven[right]...

are you really a dumb goyum..[or one of the chosen...your words are defending unspeakable/..mass murder..upon a trapped remnant/held to ransom...by a natzi oppressor stealing others homelands..

welcome to the/4th reiche..zig heil comrad..[unbespoken of..by the teutonic/natzi/zionista..media]

I say the likes of iran,and nth korea. Must be taught that the world does not like rouge states having power over anyone.
If it means death and destruction to do this teaching, so be it.
This has gone on for years, With a cloud hanging over iran elections, It is clear someone has got something to hide.
Where ever you get a one man govt; there is trouble. The iran so called democracy is under scrutiny.
It would be best to strike first, rather than hang on hoping for change
and running the risk of allowing dangerous substance get into the hands of terrorists.

So there we have it! One per normal, gobbledygook, loony
rant from UOG and nothing from Arjay.

I'm not sure why you kids think that posters on OLO should
take you seriously.

Now be good boys and go and play on the road a bit :)

Desmond"...if it means death and destruction,then so be it.Who has the right to unilaterally invade a country and determine it's future?

I don't think that either Iran or Nth Korea are immediate threats.The most dangerous countries on the planet at the moment are the USA and Israel.The USA is very unstable with economic grief and leaders throughout history have often resorted to war as a means of uniting and keeping a stranglehold on power domestically.

The US is currently looking for excuses for more wars,so they can secure more energy/resources for the military/industrial/banking complex.It is this system that JFK referred to,that controls both the Democrats and Republicans.

Yabby"...hand Afghanistan back to the Taliban." The reason why the US in Afghanistan is because of the oil and gas just above it.It has nothing to do with terrorism,truth or justice.

The stupid thing is that after Zibigniew Brzizinski sucked the Russians into Afghanistan for their Vietnam,the USA was on good terms with the Afghan Tribes since they supplied the weapons etc to fight the Russians.

Instead of invading it, they could have done a deal with them paying for a right of way for the gas/oil piplines though their country and Pakistan.It could have been done peacefully and instead of the money spent on arms to kill people,be used to educate the poor peoples of these two countries.Education brings prosperity and smaller families.

The industrial/military complex of the USA is out of control.

When are you Yabby going to stop playing the man and and enter into meaningful debate?

Arjay, I am happy to debate with anyone who has half an ounce of
common sense and access to credible information. Believing
everything that you see on Utube is not credible information!

IMHO you simply lack any kind of rational judgement.

Next thing you will be telling us that bin Laden, Zawahiri etc,
are all paid stooges of the CIA!

Have you ever bothered to read the history of the ideology behind
radical Islam, which sprung out of the original Egyptian Muslim
Brotherhood? Have you ever read the teachings of Sayd Qutb,
whose ideology all this is based on? Have you ever read his
famous "Milestones", to see what drives this ideology? Have you
read the tie up with Wahabi Islam (Saudi) to understand the whole
process of what followed?

Next you will be telling us that the Bali bombings were a CIA
job.

I remind you that building a pipeline through Afghanistan, although
considered years ago, makes absolutely no economic sense at all.
Much better to let the Chinese have that oil, that means they
need to buy less from Africa, South America etc, where America
operates buying oil.

The first oil auction in Iraq when held, was not even awarded to
US companies! Only the measly 2$ per barrel offered by the Iraqis
to pump that oil, means that not even the Chinese, who won part
of the first contract, seemingly think its worth doing.

Canadian tar sands give it something like the world's second largest
oil reserves, all very economic at 60$ a barrel. The US can simply
buy their oil from next door, no need to go fighting wars and building
pipelines that will never pay.

But you seemingly lack the common sense to understand these things,
a conspiracy it has to be.

Yabby,JFK believed it and so does Ron Paul who has over 66% of Congress backing his bill.Are they too all conspiracies nutters as you would have believe of myself and others?

The elite Corporates control the USA and not the voter.That is the reality.It is born out by the fact that Obama refusing to rescind the Patriot act and pushes the USA into more wars.

The US Fed likes wars since it is they who loan money to the GOVT(who must tax) who inturn buy weapons from the arms dealers.It is a very cosy arrangement.

By the way The Raw story article, is not a youtube ref or even a video.Perhaps you generalise again in order to pre-judge.

So you would also have us believe that videos on youtube are in some way doctored to suit an agenda?I would more likely give credit to a video with synchronised audible dialogue than many other articles found on Wikipedia.

Arjay, JFK has been gone for around 45 years now, the world has
moved on.

Yes indeed, corporations lobby Congress, as they lobby our Govt.
Are you suggesting that members of Congress are so stupid, that
they cannot resist lobbying?

In a democracy, various self interest groups do in fact lobby Govts.
That is how the system works, all around the world.

Yes Obama kept Gates on at his job. Why not? you need somebody who
knows how to run the military, to run the military. He's clearly
far better at it then Rumsfeld ever was. But at the end of the day,
he still runs the military to follow the President's orders.

Obama has started no wars and I see no inclination of his part to do
so. In fact he's made it clear that he does not think the US should
take on the role of a global policeman.

Yes, he's agreed to keep sending US drones into Pakistani border
areas, good on him. Frankly its the best way to deal with
Al Queda and Taliban leadership, in an area where even the Pakistani
army fear to tread and have little influence.

Hopefully one of these days, they will take out Zawahiri and Co.

If you can't see the difference between an Obama and a Bush running
the US Govt, then frankly nobody can help you. But hey, it keeps
you occupied, with something to do in your spare time. Runner goes
to church, you follow your conspiracy theories, both fanatics.

Any kind of reason is frankly pointless.