I am afraid he is real I have looked at csteels research he exists.
But we have nothing to fear from him, its the soft amung us I fear more.
Blind to the fact we must confront those who use our freedoms against us.
And who would take them away if they could.
Rubbish about freedom to believe in what you want is a western idea not theirs read the holly book this bloke Carry's .
We will because we must, confront radical Islam sooner rather than later.
See Banjo, told you we agree, sometimes at least.

Miss Bronwyn,
I think you have been rather harsh in your marking of Iftikhar’s essay.

You deducted marks saying : “Trying to impose any religious order on any advanced democracy will never work”
But Ify made no such suggestion – rather I suspect he was seeking to work within democracy –availing of a slow demographic creep. Aided and abetted by our bleeding heart immigration policy – including those ILLEGALs arriving daily on our northern shore! (Some say that such will never contribute to substantial demographic change –and I hope they’re right).

Next, you need to take into account that Ify is likely a convert to Islam, or a Muslim raised in the West, as:
1--He makes the mistake of assuming Osama is –exclusively– a Western boogie man.
2--He lists the usually litany of woes which he posits as sins endemic to the West.
Had he lived in a Muslim society, he would have no such utopian delusions .
3--And then he says, and this seals it -- “ How many Fillipinos or Vietnamese go to Mudersah to realise the existence of European terrorism…and subsequent colonialism was inintiated,.. the Spanish terrorists some 400 years ago… immoral gain, the loot of gold…” This is standard leftist teacher lecture material – he’s clearly been educated in one of our mainstream Western schools ( he’s not a repeat student from your last years class, by chance?)

And finally, your summing up comment could mislead Ify :“growing disparities in wealth and privilege inherent in modern western economies. People who struggle to support themselves and who feel marginalized from the mainstream will very understandably seek to numb their pain and to lash out in anti-social ways.”

Many of the terrorists that Ify idolizes were successful professional persons.So wealth it would seem is not always a good measure of marginalization/stupidity.

Next time Ify writes such and essay, I suggest you send him to do some deeper reading of history. A good starting point might be “The History of the World” in thirteen volumes – by Horus & Horus. –unfair criticism will only marginalize him

Horus

<< You deducted marks saying : “Trying to impose any religious order on any advanced democracy will never work”
But Ify made no such suggestion – rather I suspect he was seeking to work within democracy –availing of a slow demographic creep. >>

Either way, it's still an imposition. My point stands.

<< Aided and abetted by our bleeding heart immigration policy – including those ILLEGALs arriving daily on our northern shore! >>

They're asylum seekers, NOT illegals. It is NOT illegal to seek asylum. Please get your facts straight.

<< Next, you need to take into account that Ify is likely a convert to Islam, or a Muslim raised in the West .. >>

That's irrelevant. I'm engaging with the views Iftikhar's expressed here on OLO. I don't care where he was educated or where he lives. It in no way affects the points he's making here.

<< He makes the mistake of assuming Osama is –exclusively– a Western boogie man. >>

There's no evidence supporting that in any of his posts. You've read that into his words yourself, and quite wrongly. And again, it's irrelevant to the point he was making anyway.

<< Many of the terrorists that Ify idolizes were successful professional persons. >>

More false reading between the lines on your part. There is nothing whatsoever in Iftikhar's posts to suggest he idolizes terrorists.

This thread is an ideal opportunity to build some bridges and to try and gain an understanding of where the 'other' is coming from. But no, you are clearly demonstrating you're incapable of moving beyond the cheap shot and the ignorant equating of Islam and terrorism.

Why can't you try to engage fairly and objectively?

Bronwyn,

--“Either way, it's still an imposition. My point stands.”
Yes & No, if Ify’s (new) majority decide that they will stone offending artists , or outlaw pork, or impose a dimities tax on all non-believers, it may be a bit of an impost to those immoral secularists who yearn for the old days –but it would also be the LAW, approved by the majority.

--“They're asylum seekers, NOT illegals. It is NOT illegal to seek asylum. Please get your facts straight.”
No Bronwyn, you get YOUR ASSUMPTIONS straight. Under Australian Law –which after all is still the governing law in this domain -- it would seem that a person can be both an asylum seeker and an illegal immigrant –it’s not case of one or the other, but BOTH –more quantum than binary! http://www.aph.gov.au/library/Pubs/rp/2000-01/01rp05.htm

--“That's irrelevant… I don't care where he was educated or where he lives. It in no way affects the points he's making here.”
What sort of progressive are you –you don’t have a soft spot for minorities –shame!

--“< He makes the mistake of assuming Osama is –exclusively– a Western boogie man. >>
There's no evidence supporting that”
Yes there is – Ify notes that Osama has been alienated by the Western secularism --but doesn’t mention Osama is equally alienated by reformism & modernity in the Muslim world.

--“More false reading between the lines on your part. There is nothing whatsoever in Iftikhar's posts to suggest he idolizes terrorists.”
Consider the following :
i) The West is beset with “barbarity”.
ii) This barbarity results from secularism.
iii) Osama has been alienated by this secularism.
iv) Therefore, Osama (must) hold the high moral ground.

--“This thread is an ideal opportunity to build some bridges …”
I rather doubt that , remember his first post : “There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school”
If bridges are to be built I suspect -- to satisfy Ify-- the bridges would need to have pillboxes so he can guard & monitor who crosses .

Bronwyn I find myself on Horus side here.
It has been shown by another poster this bloke is at least educated in western ways.
The reason, in my view he came here was not to build bridges but to burn them down.
Boat people call them what you will, if you wish to call them refugees remember most would be economic ones.
Refugees do not often leave family's behind.
And like it or not we take enough in without giving Que jumpers a better deal, few Australians are pleased to see these people arrive then find fault as our thread starter is with our way of life.
As I said up the thread we are more challenged by those among us who refuse to understand than fools like the thread starter.

Belly

I agree, it seems at this stage as if Iftikhar was more interested in making a statement than in engaging in any ongoing discussion. Still, that's his perogative I guess.

<< Refugees do not often leave family's behind. >>

Not sure what your point here is exactly, but on the contrary, that's just what the majority of refugees are forced to do. Many can only scrape together enough money to pay the passage for one family member, many consider it easier and safer for one person to make their escape than for a whole family to attempt to do so, and many families are so badly war torn and so completely shattered that only one member has survived or is capable of making the trip.

<< Boat people call them what you will, if you wish to call them refugees remember most would be economic ones. >>

Again, on the contrary, the overwhelming majority of boat people who've come to Australia over the years have been proven to be genuine refugees, that is they've been proven to have a well founded fear of being killed if returned to their home country.

<< And like it or not we take enough in without giving Que jumpers a better deal, few Australians are pleased to see these people arrive then find fault as our thread starter is with our way of life. >>

There's no indication that Iftikhar is a refugee. The linkage you've attempted to make here between refugees and fault-finding is both unfair and inaccurate. In my experience, refugees are extremely grateful to be given a chance at resettlement and go out of their way to make the most of their new opportunities and to give back where they can.