Whether you are religious or not, one thing is true....We need the planet Earth but the planet Earth doesn't need us!

In today's news http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25993370-401,00.html

The dreaded pollution is destroying our planet which at best we only have guardianship of.

This video shows more of the problem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ0jrQEdkzk&feature=related

BUT there is more

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpaSewyddd4

If this planet was given to us by GOD why are we so arrogant, greedy and selfish not to realise what we have done and are doing?

If there is such a thing as Mother Earth... she is groaning under the pain of what mankind has done.

Can our ecosystems survive such an onslaught?

This is the way I see it. It's like the flora and fauna versus us. They're in a battle to survive the onslaught of us doing what we do. You're actually as much of a problem to the animals and plants and anyone else. It actually doesn't matter what you do to minimise the impact on the planet you still have one. Times your impact by six billion and there's a picture of inevitability.

The third party in it all is the planet. Everything else is along for the ride. The planet will eventually burn up and rid itself of us. We are merely hastening the process.

It's an ugly fight and eventually the planet will be the only one left standing. It's just a matter of time and it's totally up to us as to whether it's faster, or slower.

i can flip flop either way on this topic..but are chosing to remain..what i see as neutral...we have seen the most horific destruction's in our past...and the one constant is the niches remaining...that support life..contuinue's

i have seen the ruins...of the past..of people no doudt mired in their own much...then along comes a volcano..[or tidalwave]..and cleans the mess up...and the life left goes on

we were given the duty of wardship over gods estates...the main problem being..our leaders presume their feebles selfs to be in control..[witness the insane concept of carbon tax curing the suns energy]...the tax diectly is to pay for yet more destruction[pay/subsidize the next stage of industrialisation...

or finalise the take over of the monetory as well as tax/systems stealing and despoiling the fruits of our labours..[the hard earned assets our money/labour built...

but now owned by ever fewer and bigger banks...owned by ever fewer individual banking cartels...building other cartels..to the point where a small cartle..[5 percent...own 90 percent of gods gifts]...

controling even gods house../media/banking/finance /realestate/big oil/big pharma/health/services/education/transport/bisness/shares/resouyrces/land/factories/war/peace/govt/law...blogs and bloggers

we are a part of gods creation...the earth owns us...we cant own it..and if you do own it..you cant take it anywhere...you can't take it closer to the sun...nor further away..

how futile you..[generic ewe/U-]..black suited waifs of saturn...really are...cant you hear god laughing...you sell you soul...FOR WHAT?

Opinionated2

In my usual mode I can think of a dozen reasons why we do and I'm sure some on OLO will give the justifications/excuses.
Those excuses will range from "everybody else is to blame", "I doing my bit", the rhetorically intended "What can I as an individual do" through denial (that there's even a problem) to "I have a RIGHT to improve my situation".All of which should have (sic) attached.

All of which smacks of 'out of sight out of mind' to down right Myopic selfishness.

But hey, to some on this site Simple observation is equated with judgmental pontification as a means of absolving them from their obvious lack of personal effort. In reality the judgement etc is in their minds...'if the cap fits' reaction.

In truth we all including me could do more. Exchanging the 'could' for 'should' in the previous sentence is ultimately a matter of personal assessment. However, given that it affects all of us then I wonder at the overall validity of the excuses in context of society (anthropological meaning)which underpins our mutual existence.

Opimionated,
Over population is the basic cause of most problems of pollution.

That is the problem that needs tackling first.

Banjo,
Execute those who don't help improve the world +... Corporations act responsibly as opposed to legally close those that don't. ++
Population control.+++
those left all working to improve the world...ha nivana
OLO would become positive +++++++++++
What could go wrong ? (joke there boys and girls) :-)

examinator,
I do wish you would or could explain what you are on about.

UOG does the same and I simply can't be bothered to try and decipher what either of you are trying to say.

Was not composition part of your english learning at school?

BANJO

Whilst I haven't been here for a while, it seems to me that OUG's writing and associations continue to improve, and EXAMINATOR I imagine would be recognised as being from amongst the learned by most.

I speak something of 4 languages and I don't have a problem with "colourful script" as to me it adds to the richness and diversity of the OLO garden and I learn a little more each time I try to understand the written emanation of those with a slightly different consciousness to my own.

To the contrary, I have a general disdain for people who want to impress their own narrow mindedness on others by demanding they adhere to one strict form of written discourse or another .. yada yada ..

Some of U may recall the recent court case involving
Senator Bob Brown? (Green Browny)

In defence of the EARTH and more specifically 3 distinct endangered species, he demonstrated with his legal team to the Federal Court that contrary to the law they were not being protected and was subsequently convincingly victorious in shutting down the defilers.

In the aftermath, that vile little man j.howard, who some may recall as the individual who authorised the indefinate locking up of children without trial or detention, in combination with the then Tasmanian premier, changed the regional forestry agreement to state that notwithstanding the science to the contrary, that the 3 species in question were actually being protected. (What a sick joke!)

Then in accordance with some idiotic legal precedent set down by some mongrel pom in that place east of Ireland, south of Scotland and over the sea from Bretony more than 100 yrs ago, the case was appealed and retried pursuant to the new and current law. (So much for the checks and balances of the judiciary in this tin pot legal system.)

Whilst one noteable high court judge protested, Bob was rolled by a system which just makes it up as it goes along and which is also clearly capable of penalising individuals harshly with draconian retrospective laws.

Some of you may care to note that there was little definitive coverage on the significance of this abominable turn of events.

The solution - vote for anyone other than the blue, the red or their stooges.

(The full text of these cases can be found on www.austlii.edu.au)

Opiniated2

I’m rather intrigued as to your purpose here, all of your previous posts (leastways those I cared to look-up in a two minute search) have seemed to be about criticising theistic thinking.

To now find you spouting lines lines like:
“If this planet was given to us by GOD why are we so arrogant, greedy and selfish not to realise what we have done and are doing?

If there is such a thing as Mother Earth... she is groaning under the pain of what mankind has done.”

Makes me think there is an end here that doesn’t at first reveal itself – or, is that just me being overly suspicious?

Banjo,
My apologies perhaps I assumed too much.

You said >>Over population is the basic cause of most problems of pollution. That is the problem that needs tackling first. <<

“Execute those who don't help improve the world (that's a plus)..
Corporations act responsibly as opposed to legally close those that don't. (that a double plus)
Population control.( all these less people = population control and that meets your l criteria... a real plus)
those left all working to improve the world... ah nirvana
OLO would become positive (no one left to argue that's a real plus [?])
What could go wrong ? (joke there boys and girls) :-)

A whimsical piece of good natured satirical...nonsense

My original post simply answers the question.
People excuse their lack of action by making excuses as per the list. Including denial etc.
Most of which fail any reasonable logic test.
I also suggested people in general tend to operate on the “out of sight out of mind process”.
I went on to say that some people on OLO tend to see objective, provable observation as judgemental and or lecturing. Neither of these are necessarily true. In reality their discomfort is a case of 'if the cap fits' i.e. they have difficulty facing their own short comings and attack to cover that with emotional attacks on the observer.
A bit like the speeder who gets pinged despite the fact they were speeding they salve their injured pride by redistributing the blame with excuses like “the police were hiding “, “I was keeping up with the other traffic” (it was their fault).

In context “I'm too busy”, “examinator (and others). is judging/pontificating ” are simply applying the same (unnecessary) aggressive ego salve .

Some people tend to avoid effort/perceived sacrifices by making excuses for ignoring the flip side of a “right”...a responsibility, then get upset if it is mirrored back to them..

Dream on
Thank you.
Any perceptions of me being “more learned …..” is not my self perception,

Dear Opinionated2,

"Patience has to be a virtue for those seeking
change," so wrote Tor Hundloe in his book,
"From Buddha to Bono: Seeking sustainability."

Hundloe writes: "The threat of human-induced climate
change, accepted as a genuine and very serious
threat as a consequence of the Stern Report released
in October 2006...has the potential to change
attitudes worldwide, and hence make it easier for
our conservative (in the sense of being hesitant to
change) economists to act according to the laws and
understanding of their science..."

Hundloe also adds however that, "the form of pollution
tax we call a carbon tax is not, by itself, the
solution to climate change..."

Hundloe explains that: "Environmental taxes are not
the only solution... there is another solution...
That is to assign property rights to the environment..."

He says,"Imagine for a moment that you have a right, which
cannot be taken from you willingly, to clean air, clean
water and a carbon neutral society, and a society based on
trust...We presently have certain rights with regard to our
piece of land and a house on it. A range of legal remedies
exist if these rights are threatened. So there would be if
there was a 'bill of rights' for nature's goods and services.
Whether legislated rights, pollution taxes or simply caps
(as we arelikely to have with carbon dioxide
emissions), economists have the means to ensure we have a
world within which a reasonable number of humans and
other animals can have a goos sustainable life..."

Hundloe does not put all the responsibility on the economists,
he simply addresses them because they are the most powerful
profession today. The responsiblity or as he puts it -
the guardians of the three major disciplies (which combined to
form the new sustainability science - ecology, economics, and
ethics) have a special duty thrust upon them today.
They have to ensure that those participating in these fields
apply the accumulated knowledge in their respective fields...

We can only hope and trust that our world leaders will start
taking notice of the vast army of experts

cont'd ...

We can also hope that the Opposition will stop
blocking things in the Senate and playing 'politics.'

The world's population approaches nine billion.
One quarter of the world's mammal species are threatened
by extinction.
Temperatures will increase by 1.4 degrees C. to 5.8 degrees C.
over the next 100 years.

Let us hope as I stated previously that our world leaders
will start taking notice of the vast army of experts who
are willing and able to guide us through the coming
difficult years. A better world is possible. As Hundloe
tells us, "it will take effort. It will be difficult.
But it will be worth it!"

"The town I came from was quiet and small
we played in the meadows where the grass grew so tall
in summer the lilacs would grow everywhere
the laughter of children would float in the air

As I grew older I had to roam
far from my family, far from my home
into the city, where lives can be spent
lost in the shadows of tar and cement

Many years later, tired at last
I headed for home to look for my past
I looked for the meadows, there wasn't a trace
six lanes of highway had taken their place
where were the lilacs and all that they meant
nothing but acres of tar and cement ..."

Haah….this stuff about environmental care and sustainability has got knobs all over it! Assumptions that it is good to conserve the environment and protect our future and that God or Gaia or Mother Earth would want it that way are just fundamentally flawed.

The history of life on Earth is one of periods of stability and upheavals, some of huge magnitude. It is one of full-on competition and one of luck, not one of sympathy for those individuals or species that fall by the wayside or get squeezed into tight niches or borderline survival strategies, or for species that are basically born to be eaten, with only a minute fraction of individuals surviving to promulgate their kind.

It could well be…if Mother Earth is a conscious being….that she wants humans to change the planet, and is indeed looking forward to it with great excitement. All that fossil carbon that she has locked away since the Permian and Carboniferous periods, around 300 million years ago, has just been sitting there waiting for a mechanism to release it and thus change the climate and ecological conditions all over the planet.

Perhaps that has been her plan all along; to have a species of animal evolve that could burn the bloody stuff….and in doing so, initiate a wonderful new period of dynamism.

Death to all those old stagnant species that can’t cope. Life and vitality to all those that can, within an era of wonderful rapid dynamic evolution of new species and ecosystems. A major refreshment of life on Earth!

Old Mum Earth probably had the best time of her life after the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs!

Geez if I was a planet, that’s what I’d want to see every so often…not just the same old same old!!

The world is overdue for a good war.

i think your on to something ludwig

we have a duty of care
to remove her poisens...from our mother

excising her boils of carbon...
sending carbon life ...back into living

not dead puss..carbon..glogging up her veins[nor pumped into her guts

clean out her arteries...maybe.. metal is her brain
transmiting comunicator...such visionry you have opend

this is a wonderaouse gift
you have given us ludwig

we are her life
like that mother consumed by her young
[oops wrong debate]

so what if we make her bald...or a buildup volcanoe/explodes...or a worry line fault-shifts...[fault/subduction..zone]...she is our cranky mother ...

lets learn all about her....

and clean up that making her sick

she hates blood on her skin...[soil]
dust of all past creations...let rejuvinate our mothers skin

just like dogs fleas saying ...on the 7 th day we rest
[and let our mighty living loving dog.... rest...too

Dear Ludwig,

A fundamental insight of sociology is that once
people no longer take their world for granted,
but instead understand the social authorship of their
lives and futures, they can become an irresistible
force in history. Hopefully the decision of whether
we choose to destroy our planet or save it is one
that will be made within our lifetimes. If we continue
the way we are surely we risk its destruction - we
can't go on with the thinking, "where there's smoke,
there's jobs." For how long, and at what price?

You and I as global citizens need to put aside our
narrow self-interests and work together as friends
if there is to be a world for those humans and other
animals who follow us.

Well done Ludwig, you are probably right.

I always had the thought that our part, in the scheme of things, was to develop the place into one, more suitable for cockroaches. I believe that it's not for nothing that cockies have such a high resistance to radio activity.

Being so much smaller than us, they will require much less in resource use, to build the space ships required, to go out & conquer the universe, for earth.

Ah. Domination at last.

Yo Foxy,
Right on!

Ludwig,
Your understanding of Evolution is a little Precambrian.
The wild card you seem to have missed is humanity and a clear understanding of evolution. I'm sure luck wasn't mentioned.

The point is that Humanity is the first Species that has the ability to end not only its own existence but life on this planet. Just in case you're not up with you stella time lines there isn't enough time left for earth to evolve anything with about 3 billion (declining) useful years left.....it took 3.5 approx of improving environment to evolve any cellular life.
In short this could be the end game. Run away greenhouse would sterilize earth....dead planet, a lump of rock.
Gia today is simply a metaphor balance(mechanistic global equilibrium).

Hasbeen
You will have to stop feeding me straight lines in search for a punch line. The stress of resisting is too much for me. I'll have to have a beer.....hmmmm thanks Hasbeen.... an excuse

<<Ludwig,The wild card..you seem to have missed is humanity..and a clear understanding of evolution...I'm sure luck wasn't mentioned.>>

oh dear please...someone claiming evolution explain it...you can proove..?...life emerged from nothing...well duplicate it,...no scientist has done it yet

seeme to evolve life you first need 'life' to evolve...well name names
who is this first life?...what dud it evolve into...duplicte this via science method,,,what science claims as natural..belongs to god

if sciebce staTE IT HERE AND NOW

<<..The point is that Humanity is the first Species..that has the ability to end..not only its own existence//but life on this planet>>>THE JEST OF THE COCKROACH CONFIRMS THIS STATEMENT IS IN ERROR...PRESUMPTIOUS TO SAY THE LEAST,,,damm caploc
didnt mean to yell

<<<Just in case you're not up with you stella time lines there isn't enough time left for earth to evolve anything with about 3 billion (declining) useful years left.....it took 3.5 approx of improving environment to evolve any cellular life.>>>please provide validation...how does gmo figure into that

<<In short this could be the end game.>>.for those not fitted to survive,,but such is the dare-win-ians game play...to breed their perferct russion pARTY APPARATCHIC...AND NOTHING ELSE

<<Run away greenhouse would sterilize earth....dead planet, a lump of rock....Gia today is simply a metaphor FOR balance(mechanistic global equilibrium)...

gia is the reality of the unseen>>>..enabled to be revealed by its manifestation..of affect/causatio

/realising into being..that knowable as real..into reality...a thing..being as tangable asset/or deficate..is witnessed/certifyably..egsistant in materiality..as verifyably certainty...of its own accord..by preceedant right

OUG
Just a suggestion, try typing your posts on a word processor first, using the spell check.
You are thinking faster than you type...slow down a bit. It'll make your posts easier to decipher.
Then again, not that I'm an expert at prose either.

Here comes a conspiracy Fact.
JFK before he was murdered, did ask for research to be done, on the topic of, What would happen to America and the World,if the world be in total peace.
A very interesting secret research document came out of that, which after his murder, was kept secret by L.J.and never to be released.
A documentary was made by one of the researchers who jumped the line and made it public. The document/documentary is called The Iron Mountain. see url below.

What I am saying here is that what ever happens to the earth around us was all planned.

Quote:War keeps us together as a nation, to replace war we have to find something else to keep the rule of the government over people strong.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6745627342652553091

LOL....how?...
Brother R..James/Latest News:..Hello,HERE´S SOME IMPORTANT INFORMATION
that I recommend everyone to become aware of...First is video proof of
how CNN faked news from..the Gulf war,..claiming to be filmed on site in Saudi Arabia,..but actually filmed in a movie studio!

Never believe anything on a mainstream media site again...You will be
shocked and astonished..no matter how much you think you know..about media mind-control!
Here´s a MUST SEE video showing PROOF of how the major media FAKES
NEWS and NEWSCASTS! CNN wants you to believe THEIR TRICKERY AND LIES!
See video link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTWY14eyMFg

A secret that will destroy the world´s financial system!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuDKFeOHrUI

There's a secret out there. A secret so incredible, so horrifying, so
toxic that if the public ever heard about it, it would destroy the
world's financial system.

Next,
a story that claims
that a secret has the power
to take down the world´s financial system:

America´s gold reserves
are non-existent,..sold out/rented out/leased..by the Federal Reserve Bank!

That sounds like a big claim. Who's making
it? A consortium of the world's biggest and most powerful banks.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/8/28/773537/-The-Secret-That-Will-Destroy-the-Worlds-Financial-System

Fed urges secrecy on banks in bailout programs
"Banks say disclosure could cause loss of confidence" (And, collapse
American, and possible world financial system
http://www.reuters.com/article/wtUSInvestingNews/idINN2732083820090827

Federal Reserve Has Until September 30 To Appeal Judge Preska's
Decision http://www.zerohedge.com/article/federal-reserve-has-until-september-30-appeal-judge-preskas-decision


My Google group: http://groups.google.com/group/rjames

Madonna booed in Bucharest for defending Gypsies
http://omg.yahoo.com/news/madonna-booed-in-bucharest-for-defending-gypsies/26947?nc#comments

R. James: Anybody that knows anything about gypsy "Roma" would know
that these people make their continued living by begging, stealing
ANYTHING that isn´t nailed down.

They are also prolific at thefts and

R. James:..So,..between the coming dollar collapse,..the second-
generation swine flu and killer vaccine,..the coming Martial law in the..US,and the growing discontent,

we should soon see daily...horrible visions..try to keep peace in your heart

Opinionated2 “If this planet was given to us by GOD why are we so arrogant, greedy and selfish not to realise what we have done and are doing?

If there is such a thing as Mother Earth... she is groaning under the pain of what mankind has done.

Can our ecosystems survive such an onslaught?”

Maybe if we shot a few billion we would reduce the demands of "mankind" upon the planet

All we have to decide who?

(looking for volunteers to top themselves.. I am sure we could make a list of those who should go first)

Like Banjo said, burgeoning population is the problem

Banjo “examinator,
I do wish you would or could explain what you are on about.”

Its called pseudo-intellectualism.

Examinator “Any perceptions of me being “more learned …..” is not my self perception,”

And it is not my “perception” of you either

Certainly not “more learned” by any means.

Ludwig enters the fray with his spot-on view

Foxy “A fundamental insight of sociology is that once
people no longer take their world for granted, blah blah”

Yes but a fundamental view of sociologists (those who worship at the very minor deity of sociology), is that they know everything and those people who actual have a real job know nothing, so I prefer to ignore the sociologists completely -

Maybe suggest they be first to be volunteered for the reduction in mankinds burden on the planet, simply because they eat , have a "carbon footprint", yet contribute nothing.

Well it's nice to see that although the world is changing some things are seemingly fixed, my clumsy prose and Col's negativity.

In this case terms like 'pseudo intellectual ', his recalcitrance regarding Global warming (Anthropomorphic Global warming in particular.) and any topic that might upset his beastly (as in wild animal) world view. This is evident by his derision for topics like sociology that offers inconvenient evidence.

One might suggest that the world has moved on since the power obsessed inane utterances of 'The' Baroness.

It goes to show our differences He's not happy unless he's tearing something or someone down, usually through ego and ignorance, which tends to render his opinion some what irrelevant.

Conversely I'm happiest when trying to help (often misguidedly, according to some) or advocating FOR objectivity and context.

But, on a positive note we do agree on one thing... that I'm not among the most learned on OLO, although knowing Col's propensity for the venal, that would probably for different reasons.

Clearly so long as we have those who judge people by how much money, which ideology they follow or how much we can identify with them and be prepared to fight over, it we will tend the seeds for our own destruction.

TY for all your replies guys...sorry I haven't been able to post a reply.

To those who argue overpopulation is the problem...I somewhat agree...but how do we address it? It seems that those of us who have bred, are saying to those who haven't yet, you can't have children. I don't know how we achieve that.

To argue that overpopulation created the petro-chemical industry and therefore the plastics pollution is somewhat flawed however. Overpopulation is exacerbating the problem but man's invention of plastics was the cause.

Overpopulation may have exaggerated the pollution problems, but, until we tackle the pollution itself, which obviously has the potential of destroying us and many other species...then is it all downhill from here? How do we remove the plastic particles in our Oceans?

If what the You Tube video shows is true, our so called progress, and it's pollution of the worlds waterways, (out of sight and out of mind), the cause, have we passed the tipping point already?

I had no hidden agenda here except to allow people to see the information.

I doubt Mother Earth and/or GOD would have wanted humans to release the carbon especially when it has the prospect of destroying most or all life that the Earth sustains. I don't believe there is a "Please Self-destruct" clause.

If people are assessing a species as inferior because our species mistakenly wiped it out...it suggests the very arrogance that I was talking about.

Under that scenario insects, bacterium and viruses are far superior to us.

As weird as this may sound...my advice in these times is "Aim to be Selfless". It may not mean much today but in the not too distant future it may mean more than you will ever know.

Opinionated writes 'Whether you are religious or not, one thing is true....We need the planet Earth but the planet Earth doesn't need us!'

You can be sure one thing and that is that unless the heart of man changes nothing will improve. The lies and propaganda by Green groups re climate change and pollution leaves one very skeptical. The first 2 links on these posts are a good example of that. The over population mantra is popular but try suggesting we reduce the number of animals on earth and see the illogical responses. After returning from a trip recently I could not help bit to observe how beautiful our planet is. I doubt whether it has ever been much better. NO doubt big business has done its share of damage but it seems among the most indulgent are the earth worshipers who want to deny others the lifestyle they enjoy themselves (often in tax payer) jobs. Look at the damage and loss of life caused recently in Victoria where the ferals ensured no one was allowed the clear land around the properties they worked for. The end result of their stupidity and dogmas was far more damage.

I vaguely remember a great line by Sidney Poitier, from a movie made in the sixties: "I see Humanity, getting ready to leave the Earth like maggots jumping from a rotting apple.."
For farming dynasties, the plan was always to leave the land better for the next generation.
Whatever happened to long term planning?

Examinator “One might suggest that the world has moved on since the power obsessed inane utterances of 'The' Baroness.”

The “Baroness”, inherited an economic shambles, the product of socialist incompetence and turned it around

as well as expelling the invasion by the forces of a South American dictator.

She also worked to reduce the interference of government into the private lives of the electorate, released public housing for purchase to many Britains and introduced comprehensive education system into a previously streamed schools system.

None of the above suggest a “power-obsessed” person.

Conversely the Australian socialist swill government are busy engineering higher alcohol, cigarette and food prices, not to improve tax revenues but to control the eating, drinking and smoking habits of the electorate…

Now, that is what I call “power-obsessed”

But the resident proctologist here feels the opposite.

Nothing new in that.. he is pointing in the wrong direction… maybe he needs a guide dog… or guiding monkey?

“Clearly so long as we have those who judge people by how much money, which ideology they follow or how much we can identify with them and be prepared to fight over, it we will tend the seeds for our own destruction”

“How much Money”… I suggest you show where in any of my posts I have presumed money “matters” in my assessment of any one….

“Ideology “ – yes of course.. I will always value the thoughts of the libertarian minded over those of the swill humping socialists and levelers, especially when we consider Lenins aside, that

“the goal of Socialism is Communism”

Grim “Whatever happened to long term planning?”

Well it got left with short-term minded politicians.

When government gets involved in “planning” one of two things happen

Short term thinking.. to the next election

Long term in the context of a Stalin multiple 5 year plans.

On balance, the former is preferable to the latter.

If you want real long term planning

Leave it with the private individuals who have a material interest in its success, rather than think “government” and its paid bureaucrats are a solution for anything.

Runner & others,

I would be more frightened of the propaganda of the brown groups - pollution causing industry etc.

They have the money to pressure Governments.
They have the money to employ deceivers.
They have the reason to destroy - GREED! Your Bible will tell you what GOD thinks about such matters!

This appeared on News.com the other day

Does this video show a problem? (Warning it is graphic and very disturbing)

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,,26020229-2,00.html

What is hy-line USA's vision, mission & values regarding animals?

http://www.hy-line.com/aspx/VisionMissionValues/visionmissionvalues.aspx?navid=122

Is Hy-Line Australia a part of this same organisation? Do they have a link to the USA operation on their website?

http://www.hyline.com.au/

What is the process that Hy-Line Australia uses if it is a part of their operation to kill the male chicks?

What Govt. Department is assessing Australian companies properly in the animal protection arena?

Yep the world is in wonderful hands when left with corporations and with toothless Government monitors!

Perhaps self-regulation would help...oh and if you believe that you will find pixies at the bottom of your gardens...Happy Pixie searching...lol

I am disgusted!

Here is the companies response to the video and what the News.com's article alleges and the video alleges.

http://www.hy-line.com/aspx/news/newshome.aspx?nid=87

Obviously people should make up their own minds as to what they think is humane.

The question I want to know, (if this is true in any way shape or form),is what they do with the ground up chicks?

Here also is the organisation who allegedly filmed the process http://www.mercyforanimals.org/hatchery/

Sorry to show such horrific allegations...but I like to be informed. Don't you? Thankyou News.com for reporting on it.

Remember :"BE SELFLESS and LOSE THE ARROGANCE" like I am trying to achieve! Trust me it is very, very important as soon we will all see.

I have a feeling that GOD might want me to stop buying eggs and poultry from now on...this video has made me stop and think.

Col,
I hope you feel better all that hyperbolic tub thumping is likely to send your blood pressure up. That's not good for a man of your advancing years