I have some ideas but even I do not totally understand why we do it.
We want to be seen, our ideas heard, even to rebutted others but that is not it is it?
Clearly forums bring all types and all views, not a bad thing but tell me why you think we return here.
I said in another thread I would try to start this thread.
My thoughts are than some post but do not fully read, I re read all treads I am involved in find interest in others thoughts.
But remain unsure why we come back.

i come here from habbit...slowly im narowing down what i want to talk about...there are many topics..we could discuss..because the combined brain power is huge...so i post for serious reasons...questioning everything...i used to do protests...but its easier to just bol##log

as a loner i like to bounce a quesion...arround in company

one really anoying thing..the reason de art...is an abusive download from a vaugman..inteligence challange for prizes,..an advert...wasted a lot of download time...sucking masses of info.. to an application form...lol...WITH NO FURTHER INFO..just some clever wankk...totally time wasting..be warned...three minute's plus to download NOTHING

Dear Belly,

Why do I inhabit OLO?

Many reasons, but the main one is -
'cause I enjoy it!

I enjoy the wide variety of topics that
come up for discussion. The challenges
of learning about things
that I hadn't shown much interest in
before. (Who'd have thought that I'd actually
be producing rhymes about budgie smugglers?).

I enjoy being challenged on my views - and
being forced to re-think some of them at
times.

And, above all - I enjoy the friendships I've
made since I first began posting.

For me OLO is definitely addictive - but as I
said - I enjoy it very much.

Do you want the truth or what you like?
1. I am not sure 100% why I write on the forum!
2. I will lie if I write enjoying friendship or this kind of stories.
3. It is good way to break the silence of my loneness
4. It is a good way to promote my ideas.
5. It is a way to prove that I exist and not totaly useless
6. It is a way to open few back windows or back doors to promote my ideas with a better way.
7. To find FEW selected friends.
8. To find people with similar or close ideas with me and join our efforts to comon goals.
9. To play mind games, I enjoy them.
10.To discover unknown parts of my self.

Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

I spend a lot of time on the computer since my last child left home. I do a lot of business on the computer and I also communicate extensively with others concerning several lifetime hobbies I am fortunate to be involved in. All this takes a LOT of computer time. It also means I have breaks within this computer time, but instead of getting a cup of tea or reading a chapter of a book, I'll sometimes come here and read some posts on a topic and write my opinion. I then forget about it and return to what I was originally doing on the computer. I can see myself doing this for maybe a limited time into the future, but to be honest I'm quickly getting tired of reading opinions, opinions and more opinions, whether or not I agree with them. It was something new and different for me in the beginning a few weeks ago, but I'm tiring of it now. I'm not sure whether I'll stay on for much longer, but I might.

Every answer is well thought out and I can see myself in each one.
MaryE I however am an addict, I like others opinions.
AS yours is the nearest thing to reality, I think so very many, maybe all, of us are a bit like that.
It is true that I live alone, am referred to by my friends as bear, likely to hibernate every winter and almost any time.
I however am far from lonely, in fact work sees me mix with hundreds every day, I need the refuge.
I think many of us write letters to politicians, news papers, put our views forward often, that is not bad thing it is not something to hide.
like Foxy I like this forum, find it a bit like a family, grumpy aunts and uncles all the good and not so good, in my family at least.

I inhabit OLO because it stimulates my thinking. It shows me how others are thinking, and what’s on in the world. There are some great thinkers write here, and they share their thoughts, usually but not always in a courteous manner.

It is a place where ideas can get floated, and either sink or swim, depending upon whose opinion is expressed. It does not matter about the spelling, or syntax, it’s the idea behind it that matters. It is a sort of cradle of democracy, where everyone can have a say. Onya OLO

For the learning, laughter and life Belly baby.

I have very limited interactions with adults day to day. OLO has provided me with an important balance and where before I never felt isolated I was surprised by how little I knew and just how separate I was from the world of grownups.

Why do I come back? Sometimes I never leave.[smile]

Possibly an adiction.

A chance to talk about topics which few amongst those I know in my day to day life want to bother with, where the many sides of a topic can be put and heard in some comfort (few dinner parties could cope with the division of opinion which flourishes here).

A chance to learn in an interactive manner, where idea's go back and forwards rather than just being an authors one directional opinion. I learn from books, articles, documentaries etc but none of them generally have the to and fro challenges that discussion here creates.

It's a place where I can put my views without being silenced or sidelined by the more powerful, the more popular or the more ruthless. That's not something we should take for granted.

R0bert

I have to find something to do when at work

and I consider allowing others to share the insight of my views a civic duty.

Nietzsche said it the best

"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!"

I am bored at work.

Sometimes any distraction beats actually doing work. As to those that 'inhabit' OLO (ie those that have no life and post on the weekends in their own time when they're not being paid) I can only guess they are missing something in their lives. (As am I in missing a stimulating, challenging and rewarding job.)

I pity them and enjoy jokes at their expense. I study them and their reactions to my pokes and prods in the way a child pokes and prods at a dead carcass.

That they think it's somehow shameful to be childish, add no value to a discussion and take such entertainment at the expense of others, just makes it that much more entertaining.

'And I consider allowing others to share the insight of my views a civic duty.'

Oh Col, you just work on a higher plane than the average OLO poster.

I am an addict of olo. Lately I have been trying to cut down the time I spend with this addiction. I get satisfaction when I read a comment that my posts are reasoned. I should be secure enough not to need that, but I'm not.

Im here as balance to runner. LOL

In my youth I spent a couple of nights a week at the local, giving all and sundry the benefit of my conjectures, whether they liked it or not.
This is safer.
And cheaper.
And they can't see you coming.
And I have no interest in watching sport on TV; so who else can I talk to?

Lovely to see you around David and your posts are a joy to read. I think we should give three cheers for Mikk and maybe a group beating for Houel. After we’ve patched him back up I reckon a round of appreciative applause for Col would be in order about now. And thank you for the warning OUG. Grim I agree, sport has nothing on this.

I found these, which I think are the first General Posts and I am told (being of neophyte status) that the General Discussion Area came a couple of years after the Articles:

Just a question and I wanted to see what people thought. With all the problems worldwide, which is largely due to racial and ethnic conflict and has roots on religious levels, is Australia due for a large scale of conflict? Seeing as though we are a very multicultural nation, which has those of Aussie, American, Arabic, European and Asian people, is it possible global issues will cause troubles on our own soil?
Posted by Epithemeos, Wednesday, 23 August 2006 5:29:39 PM
.
.
Congratulations on the first post of the forum since it has been open to everyone, not just beta testers.

I think we are already seeing influences of international conflicts on domestic events - take the current terrorism trials. So I'm not sure what you are asking. Is it whether we will have a civil war anytime in the foreseeable future? I don't think so.

BTW, we're doing a feature on what makes someone an Australian in a month or so, but I can't see why "American, Arabic, European and Asian people" who live here can't be "Aussie".
Posted by GrahamY, Wednesday, 23 August 2006 11:03:22 PM

And the rest is history.[smile]

I don't access OLO at work but I enjoy reading what people think and why. OLO gives me the outlet to be opinionated.

I confess I sometimes adopt a strike and run attack while working on another document so occasionally I read back over a post and think - geesh I could have 'said' that much better.

I admire Fractelle's talent at saying exactly what I am thinking sometimes but nailing the wording and phrasing just right without waffle.

OLO may not be a true litmus test for the populace (or maybe it is) but it is interesting to hear what others think about various issues and it can become addictive if you don't self-monitor.

And I have just realised I have started three paragraphs on this post with the word "I" which is always a bad thing. :(

Dear Pelcan.

Have enjoyed your posts. Don't worry about using the letter eye too much. Have avoded t n my post.

Psst, Belly ... I'm Col's alter ego.

Belly
The problem is that we stoped to write for social or political problems, for peace or war, for migrant's or women's rights, for human rights or democracy, for national or international problems and we weast our time in less important discussions.
I am afraid if we continue this way many people will leave the forum, including me, as this kind of discussions do not atract me at all.
We lower the quality of the forum very much!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Lets not use the word we when you mean me AS.
I never post at work.
Ever if you have a job you love you have life beaten.
Never left a job, the boss did not ask me to stay.
Thread has been good fun but deep down we all have reasons we ourselves may never understand.
PS should have Left home 30 minutes ago, it is controlling

Belly
NO! I mean WE.
You make a huge mistake if you think I mean you! I mean more me than you! Last weeks I do not feel very good!
NO I DO NOT MEAN OF CAUSE YOU. You do good job!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Interesting thread, Belly. In my case, because I live in the bush and don't really socialise very much, OLO provides a forum where I can interact with other people - particularly those who have very different perspectives and values to my own.

There's a few issues - like those concerning climate change, religion, multiculturalism and gender - where I find OLO a very valuable venue for the expression of ideas that variously astonish, appall, bemuse or entertain me. Living in relative isolation as I do, it's always useful to be reminded of the degree of ignorance, hatred, intolerance and selfish indifference that exists in the wider world.

Of course, one of the great things about OLO is that there are many intelligent and enlightened people who contribute here and provide a counterbalance to some of the occasionally extreme and often repetitive rants that one reads here, especially on certain topics.

When I first read the title of Belly's topic, my first thought was to post something facetious:

"Because I'm a freakin' masochist. After all, when scrolling through my special OLO In Box, some names leap out and I consider whether I should take a deep breath and plunge into some noxious writing , or do something equally fun like bashing my head with a piece of 4 by 2."

Then I read the following by someone whose contributions to ZOLO I deeply admire and respect. Someone who so often has already written what I wanted to say, except more reasonably, that all I can do is faintly echo, "What Pelican said"

<< I admire Fractelle's talent at saying exactly what I am thinking sometimes...>> I do?

<< but nailing the wording and phrasing just right without waffle >> Crikey.

I realised then the reason I "inhabit" this website is because of the wealth of thought and intellect of so many:

Pelican, CJ Morgan, Anansi, Romany, Pericles, Grim, Q&A, Protagoras, R0bert, Davidf, Foxy, Belly, ASymeonakis, Sancho, TurnRightTurnLeft, Forrest Gump, Rainier, Bronwyn, Priscillian. When I sight any of the above names in my In Box, I want to read what they have to say. These people and many others I haven't mentioned keep me coming back to OLO in spite of Graham Young's bias and even despite those who play mind games and/or are frequently offensive, they provide a challenge which is probably better for me than the piece of 4 by 2.

Thank you.

"ZOLO?"

When are we gonna get a personal edit facility?

I do read through before posting, Graham, but I'm only human.

Q&A “Psst, Belly ... I'm Col's alter ego.”

No Q&A you are not my alter ego, not under any assessment or definition -

You do, however, perform as my antithesis

Especially when Houellebecq suggests things like

“Oh Col, you just work on a higher plane than the average OLO poster”

You, Q&A, work on a lower plane, a baser level

Now we all know that

But it is nice to clarify it,

for the benefit of the slower posters.

Hello Col. I read what you wrote, "You work on a lower plane, a baser level, we all know that, but it's nice to clarify it for the benefit of the slower posters." Hmmmmmmmm Col, you sound just like antiseptic with that quote of your's. I wonder if? No, surely not.

But then again!

"Oh Col, you just work on a higher plane than the average OLO poster."

So true, and you are presenting with the symptoms.

At such high altitudes the brain becomes warped.

Advice: take slow ... deep ... breaths.

Pssst, Q&A - it's pretty clear that Col's single ego is more than enough...

MaryE - no, I don't think so. Antiwomen comes to OLO to put women down, while Col's sociopathy applies to both genders.

Fractelle - thanks :)

Hey Fractelle & Friends

Faster than a speeding bullet.
More powerful than a locomotive.
Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound.

Look! Up in the sky!
It's a bird. It's a plane. No ... It's Super-Col!

Yes, it is Super-Col - strange visitor from another planet who came to Earth with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men.

Super-Col - who can change the course of mighty minds, bend steel with his bare hands. And who (disguised as Col Rouge, mild mannered OLO'er for a great national forum) fights the never ending battle for Truth, Justice and the Ameri, er ... Austra, er ... Thatch, er ... Colon way.

MAryE “I wonder if? No, surely not.”

Maybe you are just one of the “slower posters”



Q&A I am pleased you find humour in your parody of me,(lets face it, there is nothing in your existence worth parodying).


The interesting point is, from the words of your own post, you obviously see me with someone gifted with "special powers”.


Whereas, I see myself as ordinarily human, of above average intelligence perhaps (if my IQ score and range of vocabulary are guides) but with the belief that we are all entitled to aspire to the limits of our own potential.


Conversely, you, sadly, appear as someone who merely aspires to make parody of others.


And by the way.. from the depths of your “lower plane”.. .don’t come up too fast or you might suffer a case of the bends..

and your persona would suggest you have a proclivity for the “bent”.



Ah I see too CJ Moron is quick to join in on a group attack … as usual slinking around the outer edges of the fray, too timid to lead the “pack”... I suggest you scurry back to your dog box CJ.

Thanks david f - I really value your contributions and your even-tempered and well thought out responses. The letter i LOL - I love your sense of humour.

No more pieces of 2x4 at your house Fractelle. We value your contributions too much. I know we don't agree on everything but sometimes I swear your posts reflect exactly what was going on in my head. Bronwyn does it too - where is Bronwyn we haven't seen her for a while?

There are many wonderful posters on OLO who write with a great passion and empathy for others.

Good topic Belly.

Now Col, don't be ungrateful.

Not only have you found something to do while at work, but you've received the attention you so obviously crave.

You've told us about your amazingly high IQ, and we've been treated yet again to the stupendous breadth of your vocabulary - but we haven't yet heard about your sex life on this thread.

Go on Col, you know you want to regale us with your latest amorous achievements.

I am disturbed by the mass attack on Col Rouge. I disagree with him philosophically and politically, but that is nothing against him. Olo is a place for people who disagree to express their disagreements.

In the case of Col he seems like an intelligent and cultured person with a point of view that most people on this list don't share. I see no reason to attack him as a person. I see no evidence that he is better or worse in character than most people on the list. I think he is more intelligent than most posters.

I think the virtue of this list is that people of different opinions collide. However, to get the most enjoyment the collisions should be limited to ideas and not to persons.

He doesn't need my support as he is quite capable of taking care of himself. However, I don't like the way he has been attacked and ridiculed.

I tried to resist, fought against it, but I'm just not strong enough.

I came here for a look. One of my barbeque mates, the professer suggested should.

He told me I would find more watermelons, long haired radical ratbags, bleeding hearts, & just plain dills, per column inch, than anywhere else on the net.

Smart bloke that prof.

Of course, you are quite right, david f - let's get serious.

I (for one) have in the past tried to have meaningful dialogue with Col but have always found he 'knows' better on subjects he quite clearly doesn't have expertise in, and dismisses contrary but qualified views out of hand.

I am more than happy to engage with and learn from Col, on a diverse range of topics - he is after-all a person of high IQ and vocabulary - but I get tired of his unwillingness to admit he might be wrong on some issues that he is not expert in. I suspect his book "Col's Guide to the Universe" will be a best seller :)

He can dish it, but beware those that dish it back - that's Col's hallmark.

Everyone has a right to an opinion. However, it's disconcerting when unqualified opinion wants to intimidate, bully or silence qualified opinion.

____

So, 'been ... bbq beers got ya in agin - whoyagoin2vote4?

I vacillate between two reasons.
-That OLO is irrefutable proof that evolution exists and that not all movement are always vertical.
- In the case of a few...Like the Blues Bros said in their seminal philosophic movie ...."its a dirty job and someone has to do it." (maximus sic). ;-)

Davidf “I am disturbed by the mass attack on Col Rouge. I disagree with him philosophically and politically, but that is nothing against him. Olo is a place for people who disagree to express their disagreements.”

David thankyou for your comments.

You will note we disagreed on the 100 poor people thread but in our exchanges neither of us denigrated the other or as the expression goes “played the man instead of the ball”.

I have a single rule

I give back what is thrown at me and whilst you and I may disagree, we will remain civil, unlike the claim made by Q&A:

“He can dish it, but beware those that dish it back - that's Col's hallmark.”

I only “dish it out” in response to those who dish it up first.

Everyone else can read the rest of the Q&A thread and easily surmise the instigator of ad hominines attacks.

Similarly CJ Moron tries and consistently fails to hit what is, after all, a broad back and target.

Such as

“You've told us about your amazingly high IQ, and we've been treated yet again to the stupendous breadth of your vocabulary - but we haven't yet heard about your sex life on this thread.

Actually I never suggested I had “an amazingly high IQ”

I said “ I see myself as ordinarily human, of above average intelligence perhaps (if my IQ score and range of vocabulary are guides)

concluding with the caveat “but with the belief that we are all entitled to aspire to the limits of our own potential.”

“Maybe someone else can “dumb it down”, so the moron can understand

Regarding “Go on Col, you know you want to regale us with your latest amorous achievements.”

Not really but it is a matter of fact I will be getting married on 1st November, to a lady of exquisite beauty, a highly developed intellect, energetic spirit, a rare quality of “Spanish” Pride (being half Spanish), an industrious work ethic and since she chose me, obviously

classical taste and discernment

I go on OLO to have my prejudices confirmed and to share them with other. No doubt the self righteous ones will claim they don't have prejudices although in denying it they are keeping with their nature. I actually think Col is spot on about 90% of the time although I doubt whether he would appreciate my endorsement. Col seems less predictable than the likes of CJ and Q@A who are actually just as committed to their dogmas and doctrines as they accuse me of. There are a few emotional sooks that give me a laugh. It certainly makes me appreciate my wife all the more. I appreciate Graham Y is one of the few willing to broadcast articles that show how idiotic man made gw is. I appreciate the diversity of articles even know many of them r cr.p Foxy makes me laugh especially when she is wrong on some issues but remains so so polite. She would make a good politician.

Dear Fractelle,

Thank you for including me in your list of people
whose posts you read. I second Pelly's comments
about you - many's the time that you sum up what
I'm feeling but were unable to express. And don't
you dare stop posting - we value you far too greatly.
Including your wonderful sense of humour.

Dear runner,

I'm glad that I make you laugh - and Thank You for your
kind words. But I'd make a lousy politician. I'm not
tough enough. I often get things wrong -and I'm far too
gullible.

Dear David f,

I again agree with Pelly - you're a gift to us on OLO.
I really look forward to reading your posts - and have
learned so much from you. You're one of my favourite
posters.

Col:“Not really but it is a matter of fact I will be getting married on 1st November, to a lady of exquisite beauty, a highly developed intellect, energetic spirit, a rare quality of “Spanish” Pride (being half Spanish), an industrious work ethic and since she chose me, obviously
classical taste and discernment”

CJ – swear to god (‘scuse me there Runner/knuckles Mikk) you are going to look like a complete twat if you reply. Just let someone else do it.

Exam:”Vacillate”. Cool word, can I have it?

Hasbeen your Proff mate is just a negative old sod.

Fractelle the edit thing – it is horrible when you spot a spelling mistake, drives me nuts.

Belly what have you done, there is no real topic and look what has happened. Everyone has gone all loose and mostly insulting… actually that’s normal… sorry people false alarm.

Yes thanks Fractele I enjoy your posts too, and every one on your list.
C J Morgan you highlight a fact, after living within a football crowd of people[my huge family] I love solitude.
Need it some times, yes it changes you in my case seems work related social life is about it.
But I do not think that is a reason I come here, I may be wrong.
I am a ham radio operator, active within my club, stopped most volunteer work some time ago.
And football racing, cricket get my time too.
I think in a way we all are better for talking issues out here, just imagine trying to tell friends your thoughts on current affairs or politics, unless they shared our interests we would get no place.
Runner, for give me, I honestly have no intention of insulting or hurting you.
But I see very little in your posts that convinces me you are the type of Christian I thought I was before I grew up, evolved, understood the Truth, man made his Gods they did not make him.

Piper

<< Fractelle the edit thing – it is horrible when you spot a spelling mistake, drives me nuts. >>

And I forgot to include you in my list of posters I like to read. There other people I forgot as well and few I didn't ...

Haha! What a classic. Fractelle listed her friends 10yo girl style. All that's left is for her to put them in order!

'Graham Young's bias?' WTF.

pelican,

'I know we don't agree on everything '

I hear this a lot, but a lot of the posters who say it, I've never seen them disagree at all...

CJ,

'but we haven't yet heard about your sex life on this thread.'

I second that! Come on Col, just some rough details. Don't forget to include what you were wearing.

davidf,

'In the case of Col he seems like an intelligent and cultured person with a point of view that most people on this list don't share. I see no reason to attack him as a person. I see no evidence that he is better or worse in character than most people on the list. I think he is more intelligent than most posters.
'
Agreed.

runner,

'I go on OLO to have my prejudices confirmed'

That's Gold!

Belly you write

'Runner, for give me, I honestly have no intention of insulting or hurting you.
But I see very little in your posts that convinces me you are the type of Christian I thought I was before I grew up, evolved, understood the Truth, man made his Gods they did not make him.'

You will be pleased to know Belly that I doubt whether any insults on OLO could hurt me. I would of left a long time ago if that was the case. In reverse to you before I came to Christ I was taught the silly little evolution tale. Thankfully now I have grown in truth and maturity. You may choose to find reasons to deny your Maker but please don't use the silly fantasy of evolution to deny your Creator. It really is a very lame excuse. I agree that most gods are made up in man's head. The God of Israel however has His mark right through history. He has never left the throne and His love and mercy was demonstrated for all to see in Christ. No amount of fairytales will change that.

oh get off each other...just because its 40 years from woodstock is no excuse...for all this kissy kissy stuff

new readers dont be fooled ...even the most innocent here..is capable of being ruthless...especially..if their peers are watching...but somehow it works

having had more posts rejected..than accepted i could say against grayham...but y...but for him there would be no for-ummm...for-a-you...

its fine you miss my humour...means you gotta ignore my sarcasm as well...anyhow thats enough...for the virtual in-habit-ants..of the olo

evolution is fraud
god is living loving grace
suss-taining all life to live

it is only by seeking to love life /love neighbour
can you ever realise the true creator god

[without name or people..for all people owe their being./..alone to him...you shall calll hin sustaining WE/me...the great i AM..i am is..[thus you are]...

its not our enjoined greatness..that is in doudt...but our unthinking habits/faith..in frauds...like evolution...go ahead and rebut..

or bailouts for the elites..

or much..the other growing their ill har-vest...little knowing that done to the least was done to...good/god

all religions lead to..god...if religions were wells..they all draw from the same water/god....do not..all rivers flow to the sea...

are we not all decended from adam...even eve...
his sister/wife/lover/temptress/and daughter...

we are more..as one..than we would/.../could dare to face..
each..you look at...has god within..[emmanu-EL}..grock?

life from life...read intelligent designer..post/topic...call him autonimous response/nature/yahee/allah/great spirit/holy spirit..or any of the thousands of names for god...know that god/good...IS..sustaining your very life to live/...

live with-it..or disprove it

David f
I agree with you but there is some translation need for 'Col speak'
When he says 'he only responds when attacked' he means is providing no-one challenges 'any concept he SEEs as an attack' to his views.
i.e. a view that may not be directed at him but can induce virulent name calling and pejorative comments.
But I agree we should all simply play nice.

PP
Well I'll let you borrow it 10 times...I'll be counting ;-)

Wow Col! "getting married on 1st November".

That's great ... congratulations!

Maybe OLO can have a cyberspace party for you and the lucky woman.
It's happened before, last Christmas I think ;-)

_____

Belly

Why do I inhabit OLO? It's probably the best on-line forum in OZ.
While I don't venture too far ... I can watch, learn and say what's on my mind.

It's been a fun day.
Goodnight.

In my browsing this morning before my mad gallop to work [very soon] I find Richie tens footmarks.
I forget the thread but truly wonder why he/she posts.
For what reason, why, invade a thread that a zero to do with Gods.
It seems to me if God existed, any of them, he/she could be a much More salable item.
I wonder at the self righteousness of some of Gods sales men and women.
Some of us, not all, inflict views on a captive audience.

Examinator wrote: But I agree we should all simply play nice.

My wife wrote and illustrated a children's abecedary. For the letter P:

Prudence Price is oh, so nice
"Be like her," is Mum's advice

She never farts and never swears
She never burps and never stares

She never sniffs and never sneezes
She never pinches, never teases

She never steals and never lies
She never screams and never cries

She always does as she is told
She's never cheeky, never bold

She's never nasty, never mean
Her fingernails are always clean

"Just be like her," is Mum's advice.
Oh, how I hate that Prudence Price.

Yes, congratulations to Col and his lucky lady. One hopes that marriage will bring them both happiness.

Houlley to give you a couple of examples.

Fractelle and I have differed on a number of occasions including but not limited to legalisation of drugs and Bill Henson. If you do a search on older topics you will see for yourself - if you can be bothered.

Even those who I am poles apart, I like to hear their views to understand why someone would reach such a different conclusion from my own. Even those like runner who seem filled with unahappiness I hope for him a peaceful life and to find whatever it is he is seeking.

Houel:”Haha! What a classic. Fractelle listed her friends 10yo girl style. All that's left is for her to put them in order!”

Don’t make me vacillate your arse Houel baby. Me and Fractelle were instant pinky promise OLO bestest friends with no vacillatation.

Hey Fractelle, I so have your back - give me the list of vacillating fools and I’ll go introduce to them to my new word.

OUG:”live with-it..or disprove it”

I think it is your theory and you have to prove it, with proof and no vacillatating, you saucy flirt.

Belly:” But I see very little in your posts that convinces me you are the type of Christian I thought I was before I grew up, evolved, understood the Truth, man made his Gods they did not make him.”

Not to be vacillatative Belly baby but that seemed a little harsh. I also lean towards man creating gods but the vacillating nature of my thoughts has caused me to waver occasionally. I thought Runner was a very committed to faith, and running of course.

Hi Runner, sorry was completely vacillated by your post, which God is the Israeli God?

Examinator honeys, there is three to go, I thought about saving them up but am inclined to live life on a vacillating edge, I am left wondering if to vacillate, or not to vacillate: that is the question: whether 'tis nobler in the mind to vacillate the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, Or to take arms against a sea of vacillations, and by opposing end them? To vacillate: to sleep;

Oops I’ll have to owe you some.

David, I like your wife, my kids would have loved that abecedary (I have no clue what that is).

david f,

Very apt for examinator.

Great work Piper!

I think you deserve a drink now!

TPP: << Don’t make me vacillate your arse Houel baby >>

LOL!

<< ...to vacillate, or not to vacillate: that is the question >>

Too funny. People like Piper are a good reason to "inhabit" OLO :)

Piper

The only time I vacillate is when I have to decide between Keanu Reeves or Simon Baker. Decisions, decisions.

And Houllie - Pelican speaks truth - as a matter of fact I have disagreed with everyone on my 'list' at some point. But you are too much of 'newbie' to realise and make assumptions based on little evidence but lots of prejudice. Maybe, if you hang around long enough and post something worth consideration we may end up agreeing, but I'm not gonna hold my breath.

Col - congratulations, dunno if I'd ever want to take the plunge again, so good luck I hope this woman is Ms Right for you.

Dear Col,

You should have a happy marriage. If you argue it's easy to make up with Rouge available.

Dear Pied Piper,

An abecedary (ABCD) is an alphabet book. Marie's has a poem for each letter. The shortest is for N:

Naughty Nancy blew her nose
In Mr Clancy's finest rose
Said Clancy, "What a cheek you've got!"
Said Nancy, "What's a bit of snot?"

Marie is a great lady and does most of the work. I live by the sweat of my frau.

Dear runner,

Speaking of running:

If your nose runs
And your feet smell
You're upside down.

I thank CJ, Q&A, fractelle Daviedf and everyone else who wishes me well in my forthcoming marriage.

I am a most fortunate fellow and would note, whilst I did put a diamond on her finger .....

I have, most certainly, ended up with a diamond on my arm.


To fractelle, we never ever know we might meet but when "smitten", we have no thoughts of doing anything, other than to "plunge".


To davidf “if you argue it's easy to make up with Rouge available.”

And I do sometimes say things which make her “blush”.


I have an appreciation of all things creative


And did enjoy your wife’s lyrical verse

So try this:


A fellow who’s name rhymes with “Bruges”
Had an ego which was monstrously huge
But the gal on his arm
Saw inside (to his charm)
And will soon become “Mrs Rouge”

Congratulations Col, You and you new wife, to be, have my best wishes.

Haven't been on this thread for a few days so have missed a bit.

I read a lot more than I post and find it interesting. But usually skip the obviously religous posts. Someone here mentioned something about people here not having anything in their lives. Well I could say the same about those that watch sport, soap operas, commercial TV and belt a little white ball around a paddock.

Pied Piper says some funny things, or its the way she puts it, aye.

Foxy can also be funny, and once put a jokes post up which was excellant, but the funniest has to be a link that Fractelle posted about why the penis was shaped the way it is. Oh runner claimed recently that I was a lefty, now that is funny.

Pelican just oozes common sense and Yabby and Belly are practical, I would enjoy having a beer with them. Ludwig and I think alike on certain matters. Pericles usually makes me think.

Haven't seen Maximillion for a while and Fellow Human was good to engage with. I did enjoy the debates between Pericles and Boaz. Pity a few more article authors do not engage, I liked to debate with Irfan Yusuf.

Col,
it goes really without saying but just in case there's a doubt I wish you everything in your marriage that you would wish for yourself.

Davidf,
Your point was/is well understood but noted anyway.

It seems to me that sometime some folks make unreasonable assumptions.
To my mind there are rules to this site as there are in life.
I have little sympathy with someone who ignores the rules them tries to claim victim status. Sure one is entitled to ignore the rules but must accept the consequences. That includes me.

My understanding is that everyone is entitled to express an opinion and as an open site that 'opinion can be challenged' what IS against the rules is calling people names and otherwise attacking the person.

As to my alleged "sanctimony"(?) which is an apparent crime worth of note by some. I would suggest that are matters of style/morality both subjects of OLO approbation. While I may not agree with runner, OUG or the style of Peter the believer they are as I entitled to personal respect.

I look forward at some time debating with you the conceptual point of differentiation between concern for the rules and others Versus the personal responsibility avoidance diversion of shooting the messenger including on a public web site.

Oh pontificator that twaddle-o-meter is running hot!

Seriously, what HAVE you got against commas, or for that matter little words like they, it, the, and plurals?

'I look forward at some time debating with you the conceptual point of differentiation between concern for the rules and others Versus the personal responsibility avoidance diversion of shooting the messenger including on a public web site.'

That's some sentence!

For someone who acts so high and mighty, you'd think you'd make an effort to play the part by using grammar to go with your big words.

And 'entitled to personal respect'? To have personal respect one would have to know one personally, and nobody is 'entitled' to anything, it must be earned. You're not going to get it from me once you grandstand that you are more altruistic than the rest of the OLO populace. You're also not going to get it by attempting to police ettiquite on OLO without being squeaky clean yourself.

“Marie is a great lady and does most of the work. I live by the sweat of my frau.”

Funny. So I’m guessing caring for kids I should really have known that but never heard of it before. Each page of Marie’s book has a character with a describing word (okay I know right there I am closing in on being completely illiterate) then the poem about the character? That is so cool. Yep I have to try it.

Angry Anti was absent he appears to have gone
Some men were looking but they didn’t look long
Some women took action while some others just spewed
He’s not here and online seems more pleasant, less crude

Belly baby started this thread with the very first say
Why are you here and tell me what makes you stay?
Some people responded well without repercussion
Belly we come here for all the online discussion!”

Cunning Col looking dapper asked her the question
And the beautiful lady agreed but had a suggestion
From now on my love until we both say our vows
You inhabit online opinion but minus the rows

Darling David has graced us with his wife’s words
I loved them, I know mine aren’t as clever as hers
Never before heard of a abecedary book of rhyme
Did I do okay David? Did you like mine?

PS.. knuckles CJ, Fractelle and Houel Homies![smile]

Yes me too Col may it be a great day and even better life for you and the lady.
Hope you are not a cricket fan because we are bringing the ashes home.
TPP I can not make up my mind what you are on about.
Sorry weak effort at humor, runner was not my target but then again.

PP you crack me up. If you ever need help vacillitating anyone, you just give me a call.

Part 1
Houellebecq,

Wiser more talented people have pointed out my appalling grammar , prose and spelling.
I will try and slow down and work on it.
'tis undeniable, I suck at the above :-(

The logic of the substance of your criticism is fatally flawed. By your logic of, the “accuser” must be perfect then no policeman, judge, jury could ever decide on any criminal. None of them are perfect either.

Likewise, I doubt that you would be as boorishly rude at a dinner party where you knew few of the guests. If someone commented on your rudeness should the person be attacked as if guilty of some...unnamed crime? Or should you just drop the offensiveness and continue? To me the answer is obvious.

Now about being the 'pontificator' or as davidf was politely saying
no one likes (in your idiom) "a goody two shoes smart arse".
True but is that what I'm really doing?

That depends on if you feel(as opposed to reason) that facts, context, knowledge and objectivity are irrelevant in general discussion opinion.
If so, It seems to me that such opinions' sole purpose is to justify the logically unjustifiably wanton.

We ignore and even justify our indifference to the plight of others with such gems as the rhetorically intended ;
'we're too busy', 'it's none of our business',' what can I do?', 'the law is an ass' and the most offensive 'it's because of X'

Tell me H, where is the point of demarcation between being a member of society with inherent responsibilities and allowing the law or the most ruthless?
If I point out that some excuse is a diversionary tactic I get attacked for the crime of 'supercilious superiority'.
I was raised with humanistic mentality that we are all responsible for what we do and WHAT WE FAIL TO DO.

Part 2
I challenge anyone to prove how that interpolates as better than thou?
In reality, I submit that it is the practical application of a deeply held commitment to humanism.
What I see is that some know their views are morally wanting but find it easier/more comfortable to shoot the messenger rather than self examination and may be improve things.
Where do I say I'm immune simply because I refuse to publicly wallow in my human failures. Choosing instead to publicly aiming higher rendering the indifference etc. unacceptable?
With that I temporarily retire from contributions

Belly:”TPP I can not make up my mind what you are on about.”

See why you’re my favourite?

Grim I have printed your offer out and it will stay in my pocket.[smile]

Exam:”We ignore and even justify our indifference to the plight of others with such gems as the rhetorically intended
'we're too busy', 'it's none of our business',' what can I do?', 'the law is an ass' and the most offensive 'it's because of X'”

Who is “we” white man? I just drove hubby nearly to tears reading over and over your last two posts. It’s like you swallowed a dictionary and are regurgitating it randomly. Dude, I’m a self confessed dumb arse but believe no one born without missing chromosomes could truly make sense of all that.

To reiterate: you are all too busy, you don’t make it your business, you can do nothing, the law is an arse (note; not a donkey!), it is because of X and you know it you wooses.

Houel! I so had that drink.[smirk]

Col Rouge
"I will be getting married on 1st November"
My best wishes sir, You do the right thing. Sorry if I was not always good to you. MY BEST WISHES!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

examinator,

'tis undeniable, I suck at the above :-('

That's a cop out. I could just say 'I suck at being polite'. I just figure if you know the big words, you could easily try to make more sense to the average reader. You bang on about wanting to communicate and then sabotage the process more than I do with my joking around. If you are genuinely dyslexic, I apologise.

'no policeman, judge, jury could ever decide on any criminal. None of them are perfect either.'

See, you are putting yourself up as the police.

'Likewise, I doubt that you would be as boorishly rude at a dinner party where you knew few of the guests.'

Yeah but that's the whole point isn't it. I'm not at a dinner party, and I don't know anyone here. It's like a wall where people scribble graffiti. If you were at a dinner party, would you chime into other peoples conversations and correct their manners?

'is that what I'm really doing?'

It's how you come across yes. That's how it is, I come across boorish, you come across superior.

'I was raised with humanistic mentality that we are all responsible for what we do and WHAT WE FAIL TO DO.'

Failing to do something is still doing something. You have to do something else while you're failing to do something. Anyway, lighten up, it's just an opinion forum. Nobody will judge you too harshly if you don't recommend every second comment for deletion.

'In reality, I submit that it is the practical application of a deeply held commitment to humanism. '

So it's your religion to be a goody two shoes smart arse.

'their views are morally wanting'

And you wonder why you come across as superior?

'With that I temporarily retire from contributions'

Man that sounds so sad. Are you really feeling that sad, or is it just a passive aggressive victim thing? If you're really that upset, I'll give you a big hug.

Houel:”Man that sounds so sad. Are you really feeling that sad, or is it just a passive aggressive victim thing? If you're really that upset, I'll give you a big hug.”

Give me a hug, I have the worst headache. I can turn down a drink but not out the blue from old friends with duty free liquor in tow.

Most interesting fact of the evening – there are 55,000 unemployed in NZ.

And after everyone went to bed I just sat and I stared and stared at Examinators post, probably overreacted and put a ! where I meant to to put a ? but then got up this morning thinking I would do better today and maybe I am reading it wrong.

Sorry Exam, I can’t grasp it but I shouldn’t have been so insulting and believe it is me feeling dumb and then just being really snotty about it in the moment.

Piper,

Maybe they spiked your drinks! That's it, you've got an easy excuse now.

Hey I know this is really controversial, but I've decided I like Kiwis. My missus is a Kiwi, and I constantly laugh at the way she says hid (head) and I always type 'yis' instead of yes when I email her. And you're kiwi aren't ya?, and you're the only poster who I don't seem to piss off, and I find you amusing and entertaining.

I noticed the time you posted and was jealous I wasn't out drinking last night. But the Ashes starts tonight!

Houel:"Maybe they spiked your drinks! That's it, you've got an easy excuse now."

Oh damn, I so should have so used that one.

“Hey I know this is really controversial, but I've decided I like Kiwis. My missus is a Kiwi, and I constantly laugh at the way she says hid (head) and I always type 'yis' instead of yes when I email her.“

Sanx Houel babe and that is a coinkydink; my husband is a Kiwi and I like Kiwi’s and also laugh at them lots. Does your missus write “yeees” for yes and “heeed” for head back atchya?

“And you're kiwi aren't ya?,”

Yis.

“and you're the only poster who I don't seem to piss off, and I find you amusing and entertaining.”

Nah you don’t piss me off, you seem quite clever and obviously have excellent taste in people. Now amusing and entertaining are qualities I strive for, my audience here at home is a much easier crowd and generally poking out my tongue will cause 3 year olds to wet their pants laughing. But I certainly slip often and get too snooty or snotty online.

“I noticed the time you posted and was jealous I wasn't out drinking last night. But the Ashes starts tonight!”

Bit unheard of middle of the week like that. My guests were none too happy with the kookaburras at dawn. Ashes = Cricket? I know nothing about sport but I have just come inside after spending about half an hour with a Sky Ball – really good bounce on it up to 75 feet. They reckon it’s filled with helium, I wouldn’t know – I don’t know what helium looks like.

Hey examinator do not stop posting.
You are part of the reason I come here so are you TPP .
Still unsure, maybe we all are, just why we do ,is it the verbal tennis?
Like whats name its test cricket tonight, and that says beers by the fire, unless we are doing bad, I may have to get into the Bundy big time then.
Bit wrong lost so much weight I should not tempt fate, but don't want to die from boredom in any case.

i came here to road test an equal rights republic
its all i do
i sometimes get sidetracked
but not very often
i got excellent results
some of which i've published on my site
hope you have a wonderful day
and your avocados soften

Good morning whistler your post reminded me, some who post here have a site of their own.
A site owner comes here now and again stays a while then goes for months.
The strangest story comes back to me every time I read one of his posts, or is it her?
years ago I inhabited two sites, left one as it became uninhabitable, too many trogs.
Found his/hers hung around posting ,but few joined us.
Found migrants from a very good site that had closed had started another, I joined it.
Even posted its address on my other site, the one OLO visitor had.
It was deleted, every time some one posted it.
We had words, he/she told me it was best I leave, I did.
Funny in a way he/she now runs the shell, empty room, of the very forum I was told not to advertise, and drops its address here often.
For whatever reason we come here some have reasons I can never understand.
Just OLO now home paddock stuff, but if you look around you may not find better.

It is a strange thing aye Belly. A couple of sites I was on all had the hate DoCS agenda which although I can complain about them all day long I wasn’t feeling the hate and I couldn’t launch in to the same “all caseworkers are evil” stuff that the others were.

So what happens is what usually happens and someone or several eventually accuse me of working for DoCS or being a spy (they get very paranoid). I tried and tried to support them and understood how hurt these parents were but they really don’t like anyone coming in with anything too logical. One site is still good and more balanced; Power4Parents.

But here there is no set agenda I can spot, individual or some groups of like minded people but overall very friendly with some good debate. I have really learnt tons of stuff, as well as new words. But also a bit of training in how to read what someone has said properly – now and again I slip but hey.

My daughter asks what’s going on in The Forum today – she doesn’t want the answer though.

Hubby is quite interested in some discussions and will often sit while I read stuff out to him, he is usually the one explaining current news to me as he reads the newspapers each day and I don’t.

He’s gotten used to a few names and although will probably never log in will make a comment like “oh Fractelle wont like that” or “what did Anti say back?” – Now and again he will suggest I am wrong, cheek of the bugger.

I envy you, PP. One of, if not the main, reason I come here, is because my natural family is not the slightest bit interested in the kind of debates we have here.
Dysfunctional families are sometimes much more interesting than functional ones.

You’re funny Grim. I think we are mostly functional.

Oh and then the foster kids who seem to function quite well until placed back within a disfunctioning environment. Okay that might not be a real word. There is another completely dysfunctional older one here but it is what I would describe as a self dysfunctioning without real impact on the majority. Hopefully and eventually given time we will have an impact on them.

[DoCS rant begins]
I had a couple of kids for a couple years, good as gold. 6 months after leaving my care to be placed with other foster parents and they have ADHD and on drugs. No one cares, I’m spewing as usual. Apparently where I got my information from is more important than the actual information or not having young kids on unnecessary mind altering meds.
[DoCS rant ends]

But “dysfunctional” would be in the perception? We might all be complete wackjobs back here and just haven’t figured it out yet. Professional shrinkage types have commented over the years that the way we interact with the little kids by making fun of everything, including them, seems to have a positive influence on behavior. It’s not an applied tactic; we think most stuff they do is worth laughing at.

Hubby is on a business trip soon for a few days – you’ll know it, I’ll be online all wingey and needy.

Grim wrote: One of, if not the main, reason I come here, is because my natural family is not the slightest bit interested in the kind of debates we have here.

Dear Grim,

I have a natural family, also. However, the most difficult, in my estimation, kind of individuals who post to OLO are those who imagine they have a supernatural family.

Reading through the comments, I can identify with many of the reasons given for inhabiting OLO.

For me, it's very much about the exchange of ideas. My children have left home and hubby, bless him, is not really a chatty talk-it-through type person. He's quite happy in his spare time to sit passively in front of the television set, which is not something I want to do for any length of time, so OLO really suits me. It gives me an easily accessible platform to discuss the issues of the day with like-minded people.

I enjoy the challenge of presenting a point of view inside a tight word limit. I also enjoy the familiarity of coming up against the same posters, and the cut-and-thrust aspect of having your opinions challenged and the ongoing process of having to justify and clarify your position. There are many posters here who really make the site for me, and some in particular whose world view and life's pathway is so similar to my own that I feel a real affinity with them. I won't name them but they know who they are.

I can find OLO addictive and can find myself spending too much time on it. Hubby has complained at times at the amount of time I spend here, which is part of the reason I've taken a break from it. It's nice to be back and I'm sure I'll continue to dip in and out for as long as I have access to a computer. It was a lovely little buzz to come back and see my name mentioned on the first thread I happened to read. Thank you Pelican and Fractelle. This is a favourite type of thread for me - one that gives another small glimpse into the life of the person behind the comment.

And Col, getting married - again I think. Well, we can only hope this new woman can bring about a softening and a humility of attitude that so far no-one else has managed to achieve. A tall order I know but I guess it's possible.

Dear PP and David f. My apologies; unlike Bronwyn every time I try to be brief, I screw it up.
By 'dysfunctional family' I was referring to all the posters at OLO. Like Fractelle, I have my favourite 'Aunties' and 'Uncles' ( almost a Koori relationship) and cousins; those I learn from, those I enjoy sparring with; and there's those whose chain I can't resist pulling...
Coming here reminds very much of Xmas get togethers with my extended (natural) family.
They're predominantly Irish, by the way; I don't know if that's relevant...
David, I hope you're still 'natural'. If you happen to pass away, I trust you will let us know?

here is yet another reason..i come and eludicate here..so you can masticaste with the issue's

Seven arrests in suspected £38m carbon credit fraud
##<<didnt take long...lol...but note its MAJOR FRAUD...7 people SCAMMED 38 BILLion...not million...plus..5 billion EACH>>

Seven people have been arrested and 27 addresses raided over an suspected £38m fraud involving the trade of carbon credits to avoid paying value-added tax (VAT).

By Rowena Mason
Published: 7:36PM BST 19 Aug 2009

Officers from HM Revenue & Customs searched both residential properties and offices in both Gravesend and London targeting an alleged network of organised crime.

Members are believed to have been trading large volumes of high-value carbon credits from overseas sources free of VAT.

Tax investigators believe these may then have been sold on to businesses in the UK charging VAT that is never paid to the authorities.

Officers said further arrests are likely, adding that the proceeds of this alleged crime have been "used to finance lavish lifestyles and the purchase of prestige vehicles".

The Treasury removed VAT from carbon credits on July 31 as a temporary measure until the European Union works out a common policy to tackle fraudsters.

The tax dodge appears to be a variation of "carousel" VAT fraud. Carousel fraud, also known as "missing trader" fraud, typically involves goods such as mobile phones and computer chips imported VAT-free from EU member states. These are then sold in the UK, including a VAT charge, but the trader then going missing without paying the taxman.

Companies now need permits to emit carbon dioxide as part of the global fight against climate change and polluters are granted a certain number of emissions allowances that can be traded.

"The Government took decisive action ...to prevent this type of fraud recurring ...by zero rating carbon credits for VAT,"..said Les Beaumont,..deputy director of criminal investigation for HMRC.

<<<38 billion of vat?...avoided were talking trillions...if 38 billion is only some vat replacement...check the loop holes its either compulsory for all...or its not compulsory for anyone...ps its unconstitutional to make anything but gold/silver coin legal/tender

Reading the posts between my last and this has bought some insight into why I post.
I have been hungry to learn, funny but true from the day I finally left school, age 12 years ten months.
And I daily need my fix, I learn much here, start my day reading on line news papers, most of them from my state and the national one.
I doubt it is wrong but circumstances see more and more of us living on our own,this site is part family for us.
I strongly believe we would be better humans if we understood issues better.
I can not ever explain why my interest in education came after fighting it every second of every day I had to attend.
But as I can never change that past I would like my tomb stone if it can not say union forever or united we bargain divided we beg.
It could say .
While I lived I learned.

I know exactly where you're coming from, Belly. It's a source of amazement to me that the school system I went through actually managed to make education boring. Now I can't get enough.
In fairness (in my case at least), it's probably more a case of youth wasted on the young.
Thanks for a great topic, by the way.

Onya mate!

3 cheers for Belly ... hip-hip!

Yes Belly - amen, mate!

Hooray for Belly

Belly,Old maaaate
I had no intentions to stop contributing. That's why I said "TEMPORARILY" I merely wanted to break the cycle. Whereby I felt I was becoming the topic not the one posted.
Silly as it may sound I am mindful of the rules by which OLO operates as a condition of posting here.
Especially the ones that say stick to the topic.
Don't flame no personal attacks.
Those rules are integral to why I post where I do...I have difficulty with H's concept that this is a graffiti wall...and find it difficult to be bothered with mindless graffiti, only that which is clever i.e. "Say it with flowers" (added)"send her a Triffid".
Being human and who I am I tend to take everybody at their word until proven not to do so. So a questioning of my posts interprets to me as 'more details' or as PH put it "please explaain" (nasal screech assumed).

In context all this is relevant to your topic. In that my personality is such that I'm here to help where I can and where I can't...like you... learn.
I remember me posting that I'm like "Johnny Five"....input...more input. In this I'm absolutely consistent.

Examinator

You are one of the posters, who, when your name turns up on the email message, I don't press the 'delete' button.

Whether or not I agree is entirely moot. You consistently put a great deal of thought into what you say - I respect that.

Hooray for Belly!

Dear Examinator,

Remember when you disappeared from OLO for a while -
sometime back? You were greatly missed by the vast
majority on posters on OLO.
So just in case you're even tempted to get depressed
by the negativity of posters like Houellebecq -
remember - there's more of us on OLO who value your
reasoned opinions - as opposed to someone whose
primary aim seems to be provocation - for his
own entertainment. It does get a bit tedious at times -
but poor thing can't help it. As the saying goes:
"Egotism - a case of mistaken non-entity!"

Dear Belly,

Always fair, always strong -
always honest - OLO wouldn't be the
same without you!

Know that you're loved!

Good news examinator and thanks to every one.
Bit embarrassed by it in fact.
If you look at my post history you will see I have learned and grown, right here.
Posters who may have seen me in earlier forums, will have seen even more changes, life is like that we grow or go end up.
I never took the rules as serious as I do now,got involved in silly debates I could never win, reason and truth could not win.
But we do learn ,most of us.
We all should give a thought to our forum it can not be bettered in my view, well not without funds if we can we should throw a bit in now and again.
May even get italics!
Forest Gump where are you?
I miss the humor and wisdom, in another new thread I had no idea about examinator problem but thought of you for an answer we need you please return.

belly<<Forest Gump where are you?
I miss the humor and wisdom, in another new thread I had no idea about examinator problem but thought of you for an answer we need you please return.>>i will second that

but i fear he didnt like my comments on the cancer post..[it turns our dear forrest has cancer]...so im presuming he is fighting it

but thats how i fel about cancer...you either kill it or it kills you...and the cancer experts dont want people to be cured...there are cures[3/4 rs of us simply can never get cancer]...

high body ph is said to kill it..others can suck the cancer out via electrolisis...theres a guy in wa uses vibration...to cure cancer[but there is no money in a cure...

like the cure for baldness needs to be taken..for the rest of your life...or lose your hair...good steady income...like the cancer radioactivity market is...docters buy shares /share in the spoil..its great income...

over night cures simply never will get the same return...so we live the lie...didnt you hear on tv next year a cure...nope never..its a great little earner

anyhow thats all [re forrest]

I did not read that thread like many it did not get my interest.
I however am unhappy if true about Forrest.
We have lost many to cancer, some of our best contributors.
And in truth we know some of us are fighting our own health issues.
That is a part of life, I have no terminal health issues, but sometimes feel near the end of my life.
I know we all end up in the great compost heap.
Clearly some who come here do so to push one or another issue, and rarely see issues from others point of view.
That in my view is dead end posting, unlikely to get the results they look for, listening is half the art of communication.
To Forrest, to every one fighting against health or just life, come back we need to hear from each of you.
Well meaning advice to those with such an illness needs well thought out and researched care.

one under god

<< but i fear he didnt like my comments on the cancer post..[it turns our dear forrest has cancer]...so im presuming he is fighting it >>

I've tried to find the thread you're referring to but haven't been able to. Could you please post the link to it.

Belly

<< We have lost many to cancer, some of our best contributors. >>

I don't doubt you at all, but I'm just curious as to how you know.

It's got me thinking that perhaps we should all consider letting someone next of kin know our OLO log-in and password. Not that we on OLO really need to know of course, but more in the interest of posterity than anything else. Long term users of OLO build up a collection of writing which could quite possibly be of interest and comfort to family members in the case of bereavement. I know if I got hit by a bus tomorrow, no one in my family would even think of looking up OLO, let alone know how to do it even if they did.

<< Well meaning advice to those with such an illness needs well thought out and researched care. >>

I agree, but I also think that OUG is quite possibly correct in his comments regarding cancer and the industry that feeds off it. If we can't raise these issues with someone we know who is affected personally, we lose a vital opportunity to get closer to the truth.

Your call for 'researched' care is a little disingenuous. The vast bulk of medical and health research is funded by pharmaceutical companies and others with a vested interest. If we wait for the 'research' needed to prove the efficacy or otherwise of claims made by people like OUG and many others, we'll be waiting a long time.

Forest

Not wanting to sound like I've written you off already, dear friend. If you're out there, hang on in, and please grace us all with your wisdom and wit once again.

It's a good idea Bronwyn, a few years ago now an online aquaintance (well offline as well) died and his poor sister had to go to some amazing lengths to work out which people online and in e-mail were friends of his.

He happened to run a site and his sister managed to go through his user lists. I've instructed my daughter to pop in and let you all know if I pop out permenantly and you all have to say it fast tens times, out loud.

I also seem to have missed something with OUG and Forrest (was Examinator mixed up in it too?) - what thread are you all talking about?

on first coming here a poster made me welcome, dreadful I can not remember his name.
But he was dieing and told us so, after he died we got the message.
I have a different slant on unwanted advice for the dieing.
Sorry no Offense meant but so very many foolish people give hope , some times at a cost to such people.
My job is not just in the workplace, if asked or invited I spend time with many who know its about over.
I have horrible memory's about false hope for some great people.
One may explain my point, a long time ago at a polling booth the woman handing out the other sides HTVs fell into my arms crying.
Her husband had just died, he grasped at every straw a grubby bloke sold him nothing except false hope
He was unaware he was dead and tried to sell her more, she is ok now but passionately hates people who feed of tragic things, so do I

Piper, Bronwyn

No one would know about my interactions here at OLO. My partner knows about it because occasionally I have a little rant about certain people I shall not name. But he doesn't know my login or password, I don't think he even is aware of the full name of this site. None of my family know about me - they really don't know me at all.

Piper

Forrest Gump is one of the most eloquent writers here - he loved poking fun at you, but underneath you knew he was not malicious at all.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2063&page=0#43516

Just brilliant.

The Pied Piper

<< I've instructed my daughter to pop in and let you all know if I pop out permenantly and you all have to say it fast tens times, out loud. >>

What the hell is 'it'?

If it's ten Hail Marys or some other religious equivalent you'll have to count me out. There'd be no disrespect intended to your dear departed soul of course, but ten religious mutterings would be a bridge too far for me I'm afraid. On the other hand, some written thoughts about your friendly and intuitive posting style - well that I could manage quite easily!

Seriously though, if OLOers are informed of a member's departure, it would give them a chance to post some thoughts. There are definitely some, who - if I knew they'd left us - would leave me wanting very much to honour them with some words of what their contributions meant to me.

Belly

<< He was unaware he was dead and tried to sell her more, she is ok now but passionately hates people who feed of tragic things, so do I >>

I agree, so do I. There is a difference though in sensitively sharing ideas that may be helpful to a person in the early stages of treatment and in callously pushing one's own barrow as this man did.

Without having seen the thread in question, I can't comment with any authority as to which camp OUG's comments would have belonged. My guess is that he was definitely coming from the former position, but that lack of tact may have caused him to unintentionally give offence.

I agree, that sort of discussion is fraught at the best of times, and certainly being conducted online, without the access to facial and other visual clues, makes it even harder. Does that mean we avoid passing on information that might just make a difference? I guess it does, but should it?

Fractelle

I knew as I clicked onto your link which one it would be! It has to be one of my all time favourites!

<< No one would know about my interactions here at OLO. My partner knows about it because occasionally I have a little rant about certain people I shall not name. But he doesn't know my login or password, I don't think he even is aware of the full name of this site. >>

Yes, I've decided I'll tell my son next time I see him. Hubby has a certain antipathy toward the site as he considers I spend too much time on it. He could really flip on seeing, all in one go, the number of words I've posted over the years, and I wouldn't be around for him to berate me personally! Besides, he's even less computer savvy than I am and would get completely lost I'm sure.

<< None of my family know about me - they really don't know me at all. >>

Their loss I'd have to say!

Fractelle:”No one would know about my interactions here at OLO. My partner knows about it because occasionally I have a little rant about certain people I shall not name. But he doesn't know my login or password, I don't think he even is aware of the full name of this site. None of my family know about me - they really don't know me at all.”

Ahh the rants, I had a short one the other day and my daughter is here with a couple of friends and when I finished having a wee bleat I got this sarcastic little chorus back “yeah mum like we care… you’re so off your chain Julie… my bum looks cute in these aye oh and shut up…” Teenage girls on the whole are pretty awful.

My little family knows me but not a lot of communication between my siblings or my parents. And I guess as the kids get older, move away, and have their own lives they will know less and less over time. I don’t know you Fractelle but I am pleased you are about.

Forrest is clever aye... so where is he?

Oh and don’t tell Yabby but his hormone/emotion posts helped me out. Remember The Hulk and how I couldn’t convince the little kids he was really a good guy. Well I finally got them to understand and that he was a nice guy who just got really angry when people were hurting him or his friends.

But another example of how being on OLO is a bonus for me.

Bronwyn:” What the hell is 'it'?”

THE PIED PIPER HAS POPPED OUT PERMENANTLY. Loud and fast, ten times.

The Pied Piper

<< THE PIED PIPER HAS POPPED OUT PERMENANTLY. Loud and fast, ten times. >>

Aahh - pickled peppers and all. Silly me!

Yes, I could definitely say that, but I certainly hope I don't ever have to. :)

Hang on pied piper remember the song and follow me and I have no intention of poping off soon.
Got a bashing coming told Col the ashes are coming home, don't think he will believe I thought England was home.
And my Saints/Dragons choked too.
Well always next weekend.

Belly

I am hoping that the past 2 weeks were losses the Saints had to have. I wasn't even born when they won their last Premiership.

:(

re the post [it was when some famous docter died from cancer=2 mths ago?...if i could recall the docters name[i think it was in the title

anyhow better informed than me will know his name and find the debate...in my usual way it might have taken a few reads to get what grumpy was saying...we once had a great debate about evolution..i feel he is fine...just comes the time...we start to take everything serious...or personally

i agree with a previous comment...feeling close to just doing the motions...because i done all i need to or feel the need to do..and the ongoing pains...the same debaits..the same lack of fact...when do people wake up..or simply prefer...mindless sleep

What's wrong with the world, mama
People livin' like they ain't got no mamas

I think the whole world addicted to the drama
Only attracted to things that'll bring you trauma

Overseas, yeah, we try to stop terrorism
But we still got terrorists here livin'
In the USA, the big CIA
The Bloods and The Crips and the KKK

But if you only have love for your own race
Then you only leave space to discriminate
And to discriminate only generates hate
And when you hate then you're bound to get irate, yeah
Madness is what you demonstrate

And that's exactly how anger works and operates
Man, you gotta have love just to set it straight
Take control of your mind and meditate
Let your soul gravitate to the love, y'all, y'all

People killin', people dyin'
Children hurt and you hear them cryin'

Can you practice what you preach

And would you
turn the other cheek

Father, Father, Father help us
Send some guidance from above

'Cause people
got me, got me questionin'

Where is the love
(Love)

Where is the love...(The love)...love love...love is all we need

i fixing..the w-hole
where..the pain/rain..gets in
it stops my mind....from wondering/wandering...

where did..my will..gooooooo...tooo...gooooo...ooo-who

Where[?]..is the love..(The love)[the love..[the love

Where is the love
The..love,..the love..
the...love...love..where is..the love

It..just ain't..the same,..always unchanged
New days..are strange,...is the world insane

If..love and peace..is so strong
Why...are there..pieces of love..that don't belong

Nations..droppin'...bombs
Chemical gasses..fillin'..up..lungs..of little ones

With ongoin' sufferin'...as..the youth die young
So ask yourself..is the lovin'....really..gone

So I could ask myself...
really..what it is thats..goin' on

In..this world..that..we livin' in
people keep on givin'..in

Makin'..wrong/..decisions,
only visions..of their dividends

Not respectin'..each other,
denying..thy...br-other

A war is goin' on
but..the reason's undercover
The truth is kept secret,
it's swept..under..the rug

If you never know..truth
then..you can never know..love

Where's the love,..y'all,..come on
..(I don't know)
Where's the truth,..y'all,..come on
..(I don't know)

Where's the love,...y'all

People killin',#..people dyin'

Children hurt..and..you hear them cryin'

Can you practice..what you preach

And would you turn ..the other cheek

Father,..Father,..Father...help us
Send us..guidance from above

...'Cause people got me,...got me...questionin'
Where is the love
(the Love)

Where is the love..(The love)
Where is the love...(The love)

Where is the love....(The love)
Where is the love.......(The love)

Where is the...love,
the love,..the love?

I feel the weight..of the world..upon my shoulder
As...I'm gettin' older,
y'all,...the people gets colder

Most of us..only care about money-makin'
Selfishness got us...followin'..our wrong direction

Wrong information
always..shown by the media

Negative images..is the main criteria

Infecting the young minds
faster than bacteria

Kids wanna act
like what..they see in the cinema

Yo',..whatever happened
to the values of humanity

Whatever..happened
to the fairness..in equality

Instead of spreading love
we're spreading animosity
Lack of understanding,
leading lives away...from our unity

That's the reason...why..sometimes
I'm feelin' under

That's..the reason..why
sometimes..I'm feelin' down

There's..no wonder why
sometimes...I'm feelin' under

Gotta keep my faith..alive
till love is found

Now...ask yourself

Where is the love?
....Where is the love?
........Where is the love?
.............Where is the love?
..........the love the love the love

Father,..Father,...Father..help us
Send..some guidance..from above

'Cause people got me,...got me..quest-ion-in'
Where..is the love?

ODE TO THE FOR_REST grump
http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=2666&p=16197#p16197

please observe the tree like shape
was accidental...and some manure...in this p;ost the roots
...so some ploppy manure[man you are]..to feed the roots

Send "Do They Know Its Christmas" recorded on November 25, 1986

It's Christmastime
There's no need to be afraid

At Christmastime,..we let in light and we banish shade

And in our world
of plenty...we can spread a smile...of joy
Throw your arms around the world...at Christ-mass-time

But..say a prayer

Pray...for the other ones
At Christmastime it's hard,
but when you're inside..[youyrself]..and just having fun

There's a world outside your window
And it's a world of dread and fear

Where the only water flowing
is the bitter sting of tears

And the Christmas bells that ring there
are the clanging
chimes of doom
Well tonight
thank God
it's them/..s-him.......instead of..offing...you

And there won't be snow in Africa
this Christmastime
The greatest gift they'll get this year
..is their...own...life

(Oooh)
Where nothing ever grows
No rain's..nor river flow's

Do they know...it's Christ-mass-time...at all?

(Here's to you)...raise a glass for everyone

(Here's to them)...underneath that burning sun

Do they know it's Christ-mass-time..at all?

Feed...the....wor-lllld
Feed...the world

Feed the..world/word/s/words/the word the world

Let them know...it's Christ-mass-time...again

Feed...the world
Let them know....
it's Christ
mastime
again

repeat
then
fade
love ya grumpy

Sorry to come in posting off-topic, but this thread has become embarrassing for me. I thank OUG for the kind thought (or is it a remote-sensing diagnosis?) as to the presence of the old Spanish Dancer, but to my knowledge it is not around. OUG's possible Australo-Dutch antecedents worry me a bit, though. What if old Dirk Hartog, in exchange for his pewter dinner-plate, abducted a kadaitcha-man, took him back to Holland, and there subsequently came to be a line of Australo-Dutch descendants that inherited kadaitcha skills? Maybe OUG him-fella have him Koori blood! Maybe him-fella try sing stone longa my guts!

Seriously, I had not intended to be so long absent from the opinionating lists, so I did not post any notice of intended absence as it now seems I should have done. It is just that conditions this winter have been perfect for some long-intended fire hazzard reduction on and around the bush block on which I reside. It has been sunrise, sunset: one day just following another, raking up litter and dead leaves; one sere now yielding to another, in amongst the all-surrounding trees.

And then before one knew it, day after day, it had become beer o'clock.

It is not good for the literary reputation to compile posts after beer o'clock.

Bronwyn wonders how Belly knows that: "We have lost many to cancer, some of our best contributors." One example comes to mind, that of the late Steve Madden. His demise was advised by his partner, in the opening post of the topic 'In Memoriam' on Thursday, 26 April 2007, under the userID of jmAD. See: http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=575&page=0#10938

Interestingly, Steve Madden's first post on OLO was a comment to the OLO article 'On the question of community: blogs and belonging' ( http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=3897 ). Steve's first brief but helpful OLO post is here: http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=3897#22834

Good thoughts Bronwyn.

Children on the streets using guns and knives
Taking drugs and each other`s lives
Killing each other using knives and forks
And calling each other names like dork

There`s people on the street getting diseases from monkeys
Yeah that`s what I said, their getting diseases from monkeys
Whys this happening, please, whose been touching these monkeys
Leave these poor sick monkeys alone
There sick, they`ve got problems enough as it is

A man is lying on the street, some punk has chopped off his head
And I`m the only one who stops to see if he`s dead, aaoohhh
Turns out he`s dead

That`s why I`m singing, Aaaaoooh what is wrong with the world today?
What`s wrong with the world today, *mumbles* never said nothings wrong with it
Uooo, what is wrong with the world today?
Think about it, think about it, think, think about it

Good cops get framed and put into a can
And all the money that we`re making is going to the maaan

What man, whose the man, when`s a man a man, why`s it so hard to be a man
Am I a man? Yes, technically, yes.

Oohh, come on, sont zootka they`re turning kids into slaves
They`re turning kids into slaves just to make cheaper sneakers
But what`s the real cost, `cause the sneakers don`t seem that much cheaper
Why are we still paying so much for sneakers when you got little kid slaves making them
What are your overheads?

Well, at the end of your life, you are lucky if you die
Sometimes I wonder why I would even try
Why try
I saw a man lying on the street half dead
He had knives and forks sticking out of his leg
He said, Ahh ahh ahh ahhhhhhhhwww
Can somebody get the knife and fork out of my leg, please
Ooh, could somebody please remove these cutleries from my knees
Yeah yeeeahhh

Bronwyn “And Col, getting married - again I think. Well, we can only hope this new woman can bring about a softening and a humility of attitude that so far no-one else has managed to achieve. A tall order I know but I guess it's possible.”

Don’t hold you breath Bronwyne….

She is a “mirror” of me

She describes herself as “vain”, owns a house which includes a ballroom and considers her red Mercedes Kompressor roadster an essential accessory.

As to my “humility of attitude”…. Neither she nor I would have the bald arrogance to comment on your “humility of attitude” or maybe we just have.

And to the more recent run of Ditties….

I sooner gain my kicks
From reciting limericks
Than from rapp,
For which the miter is crap .
Even if you ain’t white
You can still vote “Right”,
Every Rastifarian
Can be a libertarian
Indeed many a black
Of government is jack.
So come on soul brothers
Let show all them mothers
Just how we all feel
About that bunch of “truckers”

(last word changed for the obvious)

Forrest

The lights are on again!

Thanks for the explanation and the links. I'll check them out tonight when I have more time.

I've had a break from OLO too, but I must say it's good to be back. I like having a headful of OLO arguments to carry around with me as I go about my work. I'm sure it would make all that hazard reduction pass much more quickly too, don't you think?

one under god

Thanks for providing the info re the thread. I know the thread you're referring to. Fortunately, I don't have the same urge to check it out now but I probably will at some stage.

Houellebecq

If I knew what you were trying to say, perhaps I'd comment.

Col

<< She is a “mirror” of me

She describes herself as “vain”, owns a house which includes a ballroom and considers her red Mercedes Kompressor roadster an essential accessory. >>

You sound perfectly suited. May your egos live happily entwined.

just to join the head and tail together
http://www.peacetakescourage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=10874&p=81657#p81657

what i dun was sung you up...your close to the kadat-chi-tale...except my mob was up on meliville island..got taken by janson after george warumpi mob..give janson mob...a beating ...

janson scampered home...[only stopping off at the mal..ville/groot islands...long enough to pick up some egsamples..[in ceremony]..to take home..

got my greatest grandaddy...[on the mothers side]..and made him a dutch farmer..[wooden clog wearing...one foot on the land..[the other 15 meters under water..dutchie...with my dutch letters old patent...and treaties with my kin...

im normally...a better watcher..[critiqing comes naturally...words flow/flowing...like old puss from a boil...

you had me concerned...and as jesus would say arise and give no thought..your faith has made you well...anyhow workinglike that means you r fine...you know low/temp sourced..woodsmoke..micro-particulates are the biggest cause of lung cancer

Haha... I thought that was a good one, sorry Bronwyn I forget everyone can’t read my mind. I depend on most users being better at figuring out my posts than I am myself.

Hey Belly, You know I just follow you around the threads since I’m the most ineffectual Piped Piper on earth. So the cricket did not go as planned did you have your Bundy? Is Houel okay?

TPP left the Bundy do not like water in it and crying made it wet.
Great Forrest get that burning done 32 degrees here today, we are looking at a bad summer.
Last few posts say it all, thats why we are here.

One should not just skim when catching up on a thread. I had, as of posting on Monday, 24 August 2009 at 11:31:41 AM, not noticed Fractelle's remarks addressed to [The Pied] Piper in her post of Sunday, 23 August.

I am most sincerely flattered, if that is not too oxymoronic a thing to say. But the 'd' on the end of the word 'loved', Fractelle! I hope it betrayed typo, not tense, what with 'd' being next to 's' in that qwerty way that keyboards have.

I had not realized until I attempted to post that the OLO site cookie apparently expires after a certain period of either non-visitation of the Forum, or failure to continue posting. Due to my hazard reduction fiddling on the block day after day, I was only able to look in on the Forum occasionally, but was presuming throughout my posting drought that my userID was showing up on the 'Users Currently Online' display where someone (or many someones) would surely have seen it, when in fact it hadn't been. Sorry for giving everybody the wrong idea that I might have dropped off the perch. So all posters who have said something nice about me by way of premature obituary are allowed one abusive post 'free kick' in my direction if they now feel cheated. Fractelle can have three abusive/ascerbic post 'free kicks', because she not only said something nice, but seriously massaged my ego. I am sure she can measure up to the task.

As an extra little bonus for Fractelle, should she not already be familiar with it, I post a link to a YouTube video of a band playing the music that was playing inside my head in the OLO post to which she provided a link, the (slow) march 'Herzog von Braunschweig'. An interesting coincidence is that it is being played by the Reiskirchen Volunteer Firefighters' Orchestra!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MBI4Xt-dYE

My apologies, Belly, for yet again posting off-topic. So much wreckage to clean up.

Prost!

Welcome back Forrest - even I missed you!

Now... it's getting on for beer o'clock in my neck of the woods...

Dymo :)

Good onya bloke! we all missed you and that Is another very good reason we inhabit OLO
Clannish? no just humans who care.