So what's all this crap got to do with MIA fathers.

As Protagorus stated, if the female had insisted on a condom being worn, just like any 'self respecting hooker', there would be no MIA fathers, no illigitimate children. It really is that simple, unless of cause you are a 'man trapper'.

I also have to wonder what would happen to the single mother rates if the baby bonus was dumped and all child support was spent soley on the child's needs and them alone.

"As Protagorus stated, if the female had insisted on a condom being worn, just like any 'self respecting hooker', there would be no MIA fathers, no illigitimate children"

Rehctub - That is not what I said but that's OK since it just confirms for me what a devious individual you are. "Man trappers?" Please advise why any female without an intellectual disability would want to trap the men you exemplify?

And while I agree with you by opposing the baby bonus, you too should take your hand off it and realise that most women prefer not to travel second class. Unfortunately a few naive ones succumb to the wiles of males whose only objective in their pathetically sordid lives is to hit and run!

Toorooloo!

Rehctub - That is not what I said but that's OK since it just confirms for me what a devious individual you are.

you said
Any self-respecting hooker I know will not take your money unless you wear a CONDOM.

Tell me where I am wrong?

Now you can't tell me that there not some women out there looking to 'snag a big one', a real 'money man'.

Please advise why any female without an intellectual disability would want to trap the men you exemplify?

If you’re referring to men like me;
Well I work up to 80 hours per week, have been married for 24 years, have raised two children, have accumulated a firm asset base SO I WON'T BE A BURDON TO OTHERS, now if that's the group I represent, then yes, we would be a catch. Essecially since CS is calculated as a percentage of ones income.

You too should take your hand off it ........ Unfortunately a few naive ones succumb to the wiles of males whose only objective in their pathetically sordid lives is to hit and run!

So did they think that guy would be a great father, if not, why didn't they insist on a condom. Or didn't they care AT THE TIME.

Many are simply out for a 'free ride'. Why else would they have four children to three fathers, especially if the first one abandons them.

Having children is often just a free ride, except; it’s the child that misses out.

Stop handing out money and many of societies problems will simply go away!

The fact is that as long as child support is handed out as ‘cash’, to the mother, to be spent at her discretion, kids will always be used as ‘tools’.

This is also the cause of many arguments between separated parents. No father wants their CS $ being wasted on non-child related expenditure.

More accountability is needed when it comes to CS.

Take away the cash, you take away the motives of many single mothers.

No cash-No splash!

Just checking, yes, not one PERSONAL insult.

rehctub, spot on.

The current CS regime doesn't work and is destructive of relationships between children and their parents as well as between separated parents. it drives some to extraordinary actions, including killing themselves and their children.

It has to go.

“If you’re referring to men like me;
Well I work up to 80 hours per week, have been married for 24 years, have raised two children, have accumulated a firm asset base SO I WON'T BE A BURDON TO OTHERS, now if that's the group I represent, then yes, we would be a catch. Especially since CS is calculated as a percentage of ones income.”

Retchub women just aren’t that simple. You lost me at “80 hours per week”. But it sounds like men are stupid if they can be trapped so easily once they have released the details of their wallets.

“This is also the cause of many arguments between separated parents. No father wants their CS $ being wasted on non-child related expenditure.”

If they are separated how do the men know that the CS +more is not going straight towards the children’s needs?

“Take away the cash, you take away the motives of many single mothers.”

Okay that was weird. Now I cruise through parenting, love doing it but I haven’t met many women that feel the same way. They actually really struggle through the sleepless nights the coughs and colds, the discipline the worry, making a meal and doing a load of washing every single day of their lives. Less money, more struggle.

You forget that most of these mums love their kids and give to their kids first? They do not in general have some money spending extreme lifestyle.

Anti:”The current CS regime doesn't work and is destructive of relationships between children and their parents as well as between separated parents. it drives some to extraordinary actions, including killing themselves and their children.”

Sounds just like DoCS Anti, now how does anyone rework an entire department or even get them to listen?

Oh dear, the truth can be painfull, can't it!

By the way, you left out the words 'up to' 80 hours per week.

So how do you explain four children to three fathers, each one being persued for CS. Trouble is, not only did most of these 'man trappers' not learn their lesson after the first child, but the also often chose 'a dud' as the father of their children/money pit.

Take away the cash, you take away the motives of many single mothers.”

Simply means that CS should be spent on the childs needs, not on non-child related expences.

Perhaps A good system would be to deduct child related expenses from the fathers wages, or, perhaps a restricted debit card in the childs name. Sorry, can't buy grog, cigs, pokies or new shoes for mum, only for that child. Hard to police perhaps, but what's wrong with a system like that.

Remember, some of these mothers have made not one, but four mistakes. That's four times unprotected sex, four times deciding to have a baby and you say this is accidental. Right!

Now IF you truely believe that this does not happen, then off you go and join your little group of believers in some far away 'fairy land'. Meanwhile, fathers will continue to contemplate suicide and continue to ask why they are being screwed. Meanwhile, the kids continue to suffer.

No self respecting father, who wanted a child, would consider cheating that child ever. If they do, then I agree, they are a looser.