Well PP and others, I give up. You lot just can't stick to the thread.

This thread has nothing to do with fathers walking out on their families. Go back, take a look, and you will see it is about MISSING FATHERS EVADE...........

The fact remains that these situations appear to have increased since the introduction of the 'baby bonus'.

Now why has this happened other than the mother taking it upon hereself to have the child, unwanted by the father, just so she can pocket the cash.

Now unless you have had a child, either without the consent of the father, or, without knowing who the father is, then you simply can't use your situation as an example.

It is my view that since the introduction of the BB, it has been viewd as a 'gravy train' to many young women. Only problem is, once the gravy runs dry, they then turn to the unwilling father, if known, for support.

Sorry girls, but you can't have an each way bet when you're playing with someones life.

It would be worth seeing if there has been an increase in teenage mothers in the past few years as well. My bet is there has been. Anyone?

You girls took it upon yourself to allow this 'one nighter' to turn into a child, so you, and you alone have to deal with the concequences.

I say again, take away the 'lure of the cash' and you are well on your way to solving the problem.

Now if you wish to bag me for this, fine, I have no objections to you having your views, but please, stick to the toppic and I will continue to debate this very sensitive issue.

As always, I am happy to be proven wrong.

Excuse me Fractelle, I feel Retchub is walking in circles, I’d like to stand here and maybe slap him on his way back round.

Get rid of the BB and stop telling young girls that the country needs more babies – my god what were the grownups thinking? You have set up some stupid young teens and now you’re dogging on them. This is exactly what the foolish country encouraged them to do.

I don’t know who you are calling “you girls” but Fractelle and I haven’t actually had a one nighter that has resulted in a child aka consequence. But according to you the result of a one nighter should be on the mother – give her all the power to tell any would be interested dad to butt out forever? I’m surprised the men aren’t in here having a go at you but some of me isn’t.

And let me repeat – the money is crap, only a young stupid thing (exactly the ones this country targeted with the BB) would keep a baby thinking it was some sort of cash cow. You seriously believe they’re out there jet setting around the world on this CSA money along with a five grand baby bonus?

Christ on a bike, when I became solo I didn’t eat, I didn’t have new clothes, I could go to the doctor but then not afford prescriptions. A chest infection will go in about three months, inflamed nerve in the tooth will die after awhile but you have to keep so much cold water on it that you will be vomiting crystal clear water. Getting to the doctor cost money so I couldn’t go – oops, no uterus now.

I had nothing because I gave everything to my kids. At about 27 a friend gave me 400.00 to spend on anything I wanted, I burst in to tears. It seemed a fortune.

So you stop these sweeping statements about these mums without partners whose only focus is the money. It insults and it hurts while degrading the children.

TPP: “I had nothing because I gave everything to my kids. At about 27 a friend gave me 400.00 to spend on anything I wanted, I burst in to tears. It seemed a fortune.”

So is $400 a lot of money or not then? Did the previous $400 seem as much, or does it depend on the identity of the giver or how much you have at the time?

You know this does not explain your daughter’s lack of empathy. Ungrateful buggers.

Piper

The likes of Seeker & Rechtub are beneath you - don't let their deliberately offensive comments goad you.

You can never ever say anything that will placate these "people".

Your honesty is wasted on those who will twist and pervert everything you say.

Go and hug someone - even your pets - although goldfish don't really go in for hugs and I think there's a law about that sort of thing.

Sending a hug to you right now.

Sheesh, they say that men and women (in general-not always) see the
world through quite different eyes and I still reckon its true.

If I was a young female and halfway attractive, kids or no kids,
I'd simply tell all those single guys with pocketfulls of money
who tried to hit on me, that it will cost 200$ or whatever.

But this of course is far too practical :)

So instead the blokes go to the pub and tell the girls alot of lies,
to get into their pants and the girls give it all away for nothing.

I betcha that kids or no kids, unmarried mother or not, I'd always
have a few spare $ in my pocket.

Seeker:“So is $400 a lot of money or not then? Did the previous $400 seem as much, or does it depend on the identity of the giver or how much you have at the time?”

Was around 1995 and I had nothing, I received 500 exactly a fortnight as a benefit. I had 12 chickens and would swap eggs for other foods with the other solo mums in my street. I’m over it all now, hadn’t intended to use my uterus again anyway.[smile] A few years later I handed a solo mum 500.00 to spend on whatever she liked – she burst in to tears - I didn’t tell her why I was laughing.

“You know this does not explain your daughter’s lack of empathy. Ungrateful buggers.”

Haha.,. my kids don’t know. And my daughter… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVam-fshUgw

Fractelle:”The likes of Seeker & Rechtub are beneath you - don't let their deliberately offensive comments goad you.”

I missed that… were you goading me Seeker?

“Go and hug someone - even your pets - although goldfish don't really go in for hugs and I think there's a law about that sort of thing.”

I have one (no not a goldfish) who I wish would stop hugging me, another is dribbling and when grown up will be super hero called The Walking Puddle. My dogs are at the groomers today, only hassle with having poodles.

“Sending a hug to you right now.”

Thank you Fractelle. It is a shame that all single mums are still seen in this way, we usually carry around enough guilt, shame and dissapointment without the additional imput.

Hey I had written you a message before that sits here in my editor – I was wondering if your ME bought on the depression and anxiety or if they were separate problems? And I stared at that painting for so long, freaked me out a bit. Oh and what kind of acting?

Yabby, you are an idiot and I am embarrassed for your mother, unless your mother taught you this stuff and then I am embaressed for you.