The Pied Piper
In an other tread a poster asked you how do you know what happened with the girl and football team (something like that!) and you said "I was there!" Then The Pied Piper I look at your face and I remember that I met you on the top of the mountain to discuss with Promitheus, I found his spirit on you! Thank you for all.
No.[smile]? Realy? Thank you!
What business do you want to create? Not something important, You know every Sunday I full up my van and I have a permanent spot inside in the market and I sell various products but mainly mobile chargers, motorola, nokia, samsung, sony ericsson, LG, etc wall, car or USB chargers, there are hundrends of different models and different charges. mobile faceplates, cases, leather, clear, etc, mobile batteries, mobile socks and mobile data cables to conect the mobile with the computer etc. I have many computer staff etc. I prefer a shop like, (not exactly) DICK SMITH but it is difficult for a single person alone to establish business and parallel to work full time as employee. 4-5 years before I tryied with a computer shop but I closed it, now I am in better conditions and I extend my products with mobile staff and electronic staff. In worst case I will try when I will take my superanuantion.
What about you? I do not know many things about your job. Do you care many children alone? Do you have them permanent in your house? how old they are? You are an educated, sensitive and mature person but I worry for your job? many children, different ages, full responsibilities, I WORRY FOR YOU!For me you are a friend but I do not know if and what usefull I can do for you.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Antonios, it's barely worth talking to some of the idiots here. These people you are arguing against are a MINORITY. They do NOT speak for Australia as a whole.

They ALWAYS try to perpetuate 2 MYTHS:

Myth number(1): That they have no cultural bias

Myth number(2): That the reason for their opposition to refugees and migration is because Australia can't sustain a greater population than is already here

As anyone with even a semblance of awareness knows, these people FEAR DIFFERENCE. Their motivation against refugees and migration is betrayed by the way they use language. They fear cultures that don't conform to "their" culture, and they don't want those cultures "over here". And THAT is their basis for their opposition to refugees and migration. Believe me Antonios, they are a MINORITY in Australia (a very loud and vocal minority).

Some of them absolutely LOVE to present the old, discredited furphy that Australia can't support a greater population than we already have. The "FAKE" greenie, Ludwig (whose right wing language easily betrays his falsely "claimed" greenie leanings) is one such person. He's NO greenie. This is a "TACTIC" that they use Antonios. Some of them "pretend" to be "green" because they "think" the science backs them up - - - - - and they "think" if they have science on their side that their CULTURAL BIGOTRY and FEARS (which is their motivation for opposition to refugees/migration) will not be noticed.

These types are as transparent as a glass house. Their language always betrays them - - - - - eventually somewhere along the line.

Refugees and migrants have shown throughout Australia's history that, overall, they make FANTASTIC citizens. They are no better, or no worse, than the people already here.

Antonios

The link I provided on illegal immigrants in Greece was given as an example of what could happen in Australia if we put you in charge of immigration – heaven forbid!

“85% percent surveyed agreeing that racism exists in Australia.” Sure count me in on that too would you? That suggests that 85% of those surveyed were not racist, however, they, like I, can be influenced by the media who report on racist attacks such as the ethnically motivated Sydney gang rapes committed by fourteen Lebanese Australian men on Anglo-Celtic Australian teenage girls as young as 14 and a sister to one Lebanese Australian offender stating on national TV that these Anglo-Celtic girls got what they deserved.

Then we have the Cronulla riots; the arrest of three teenage boys who were charged with assaulting citizens of Indian origin and Sheik Taj Din al-Halali denigrating non-Muslim women.

With the exception of the Sheik, all these crimes were committed by callow, testosterone driven youths – hardly a balanced view of Australia’s attitude to ethnic minorities.

Some of the issues in the UWS report which you omitted to provide us with are:

Q1: Is it a good thing for society to be made up of different cultures? NSW: Yes: 84%, No: 8% (ACT: Yes: 94.3% and NT: Yes: 93.7%.)

Q2: All ‘races’ of people are equal. NSW: Yes: 83.2%, No: 11.7%. ( Six other states rated more highly for “Yes.”)

Q3: Experience of discrimination in workplace: NSW Yes: 18.1%

Q4: I am prejudiced against other cultures. NSW: Yes: 13.2%

Not too bad for a “racist” country Antonios so why the hyperbole?

I have expressed my opinion earlier on this thread – opinions which have been reiterated by others here and they are to honour our obligations to accommodate genuine refugees who are being persecuted. Many illegal refugees, on their way to Australia, are apprehended and repatriated from Indonesia and many voluntarily return to their homelands.

Alas, Antonios, you wish to offer gifts to all the "refugees" around the world on our behalf but your Trojan horse, I believe, has an acute limp.

I would worry setting up a business... is now a good time Antonios? Did you like having the shop?

I am 41, have my own two kids, eldest is 19 and has left home. I have always been a stay at home mum and started fostering around 12 years ago. The rest of my family works. On average I will have up to 6 children under five years old living with me full time. They will stay from a few weeks up to a couple of years until court decides if they go home or go to a long term foster parent. It is volunteer work and DoCS pays an allowance per child to cover all their expenses.

I do care for the children mostly alone as my husband works in Sydney so it is a long work day for him. I love little kids and learnt through fostering that it doesn’t matter whether or not people are from the same race, creed or bloodline for them to be family.

I only started looking at Forums for the first time at the end of February. I met a lady through one forum because my dog was sick and she told me to come on here. She asked me to leave a message to Yabby and one to someone else but neither responded and then I found out later that maybe the message was a joke on them. Because of the wee kids I know some of my messages are rushed or I get a bit distracted while writing them. I try hard to make sense.

Today I watched a very small child play with a puppy, it is the first time this child has been near a dog and the first time the dog has been around one so young. It was a match made in heaven.

But don’t worry for me Antonios and you are of great use, reading your posts makes me very happy that you are in this world.

Properly looking after kids is the hardest job of all. I've known 2 Kings of Industry ( and one Queen) who fell in a heap when presented with the opportunity to care for their kids for a few weeks without partner help. That was in the 50s though.

“… I see a bright and wonderful future for this country and the rest of the world. A future based on sustainable farming and manufacturing practices”

Good. But surely Master you can see that the number of people demanding a good quality of life on this largely arid and infertile continent with already seriously stressed water supply issues, is of the utmost importance. All the good gains that we make by way of better resource use efficiency and waste management and the improved technologies that allow us to do this while upholding a good quality of life, are just going to be diluted if not completely overwhelmed by rapid population growth.

The most important thing of all for us in Australia, as it should be in every country, is to protect our quality of life and social coherence. We can do our bit on the world stage, but not if it gravely risks our own wellbeing. If our society seriously starts to fall apart, we won’t be able to uphold a humanitarian role, either by way of accommodating refugees or providing international aid to help address the source issues.

That doesn’t mean protecting our current highly profligate standard of living. It means upholding values like health, security, freedom, life purpose, family and community bonds, law and order, etc.

So we have to tread very carefully as far as immigration and asylum seekers who come here outside of our immigration program are concerned.

It’s a crying shame that there wasn’t total outrage expressed when Rudd considerably increased the immigration intake, above an already record high level under Howard, as soon as he got into power, without a word of it in the election campaign.

Master I don’t agree with your various assertions about refugee movements etc. You can’t assert any of this stuff. All manner of things could happen that change the course that you think we are on. One very real possibility is a pandemic, which takes out a large portion of the world’s population.