Hey Antonios, I’m on the Central Coast in NSW – about two hours drive north of Sydney. I read your message about an international government and how space is our only “out” as it were and that we could easily become extinct in our galaxy.

I think we have a lot of learning to do before we can leave this planet though. Maybe through the universe only populations that have learnt how to behave do get to a point where they can co-operate with each other enough for enable any off planet migration.

What business do you want to create? I thank you for the offer and may yet take you up on it – certainly the most generous proposal I have been given and it made my day.

Protagoras I don’t think that’s fair and it doesn’t make sense to me to pick another country and point out what they’re doing wrong or differently.

Is your post suggesting that once here we should not complain about anything but cruise along being grateful we were allowed in?

"Protagoras I don’t think that’s fair and it doesn’t make sense to me to pick another country and point out what they’re doing wrong or differently."

Pied Piper - the country I picked out is Antonios' country of birth.

Why is it unfair?

Protagoras
"That is no reason for Australian citizens to go on a guilt trip simply because they live in a peaceful nation and have a superior standard of living"
I supposed you are number one humanist on the earth!
“forty percent of Australians are racist, bullies, etc etc.” You know of cause that this is not mine but the finding of an 11 years study of australian universities, which finished last months.
"Australia or Greece Antonios – your choice"
There is non one person who can tell me "Australia or Greece" if we start like that the only one who will stay in australia are the aborigines. I cogratulate you for your democratic sensitivity! I am australian citizen for long time but even if I was migrant I have the rights of free expresion.
FOR LONG TIME I KNOW THAT YOU ARE INTERESTED VERY MUCH FOR THE ENVIRONMENT BUT YOU DO NOT CARE VERY MUCH ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS AND DEMOCRACY.
You belong to a small minority of australians but if join your efort with extrem nationalists, as One Nation you will become stronger!
Sorry madam but you are EXTREMELY hard.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Hey CJ, thanks for commending me for answering your questions in a comprehensive and forthright manner.

Yeah right!

“Ludwig's finally coming clean:”

Ceej have you got a dirty mind? Do you say things on OLO that you don’t really believe?

Well I don’t. I’m always total frank. So I’m not ‘coming clean’ about anything.

You were doing so well, old mate… better than I’ve ever seen you before, in entertaining a calm, logical and intelligent debate. But nooooo it couldn’t last could it. You had to fall back on your prolifically repeated slander of ”racists and xenophobes”.

Tch tch tch.

“Ludwig parrots the expressed fears of the xenophobes who claim to be terrified that the humane treatment of a few thousand bona fide refugees who may arrive by boat will signal to the world that Australia is a 'soft touch', or some such paranoia.”

So then, you don't think that the more humane treatment (better than under Howard), such as processing on the mainland, let alone free movement in mainstream society, would spur a greatly increased rate of arrivals...at a time when pressures that drive refugee movements are increasing, as acknowledged by everyone on both sides of this debate?

Come on, this is precisely the point that you’ve got so hung up on….that I’ve prompted you on numerous times and that you haven’t addressed!!

How could we possibly provide a significantly more humane practice for asylum seekers without spurring a great increase in arrivals?

How can you even entertain this issue when you can’t give a straight answer to this question ?? ?? ??

“I agree that it would be far preferable for all concerned if Australian Immigration authorities had some kind of viable system in place offshore to process applications from asylum seekers.”

Good. So have you even once lobbied our government about this or promoted this point on OLO??

You apparently don’t realise that this is exactly in line with my assertion that our refugee intake has got to happen entirely within our formal immigration program and that the onshore asylum seeker route should be shut down entirely.

The Pied Piper
Protagoras is extremely sensitive for the environment, she has deep knowledges about it. Probably she is a high level beaurocrat. Protagoras do not care very much for migrants or refugees.
While she knows so many things for our environment and the animals she ignore the very basics as citizens rights, migrants rights, human rights, democracy etc. She is writing as anonymous and cover her self.

The Pied Piper please keep a distance from me and protect your self! I have a long way to go and it will no be easy!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

‘totally frank’, that should have read. Bloody piss-poor spell and grammar checker! Grrrrrr ):>(

F u c k I hate that !