The Pied Piper
I feel qiulty with you! I did not have to ask you this kind of questions. I am very sorry! You are many times better than I thought. I have to support my friend not to bring her in difficult position, not to press her for personal or family information,especialy publicly.
I AM VERY SORRY FOR MY STUPID QUESTIONS TO YOU!
Please if in the future if I put to you this kind of questions DO NOT ANSWER TO ME! OK? I am not bad but I do not like to hurt you.
About the time for shop, not now, now simple I learn the secrets from this kind of business, from this kind of products. I exersise my self. I will take my superanuansion after 6-7 years.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaid

Protagoras
Some news about Greece!
Greek riot police have led an operation to demolish a makeshift camp housing illegal immigrants in the western port city of Patras.....
The camp in Patras had been in existence in some form or another for 13 years.
A few months ago, it accommodated about 1,800 people, mainly from Afghanistan.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8146597.stm

The Greek conservative government makes deportation easier, but to be honest not only conservatives but also left governments do not like refugees or eligal migrants.
I understand them but I desagree with them, the cost from refugees are high in difficult economic and environment conditions.
The opposition parties are ready to grab any opportunity and sent home the governments!
We, the world citizens, the innocent, fair, sensitive people, have no other choice than to stay by our refugee brothers and sisters.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Antonios Symeonakis, "We, the world citizens, the innocent, fair, sensitive people, have no other choice than to stay by our refugee brothers and sisters."

Jolly good, while you are standing beside them could you hand out contraceptives and 'have an abortion free' cards?

The Australians you so despise achieved zero population growth years ago otherwise they could also be part of the problem and not the solution as you see it.

If you really, truly, want to help your brothers and sisters in undeveloped countries you could be a champion for women's rights in those countries. Think about it - why should their women be sentenced to producing children they do not want and can't feed or keep safe from harm?

Rail against the oppressive governments that spend our aid on arms or sell off the food we donate before it can reach the people it is intended for. Especially, rail against governments and religions that keep women in the Dark Ages - uneducated, backward and always pregnant.

You are not prevented I hope by your own religious beliefs or convictions from making such protests.

Cornflower: << It is interesting that the one report you quoted supports your view >>

Er, no - my view is a product of assessing the available evidence, rather than on paranoid speculation. As I said, it's the only formal study of which I'm aware that actually addresses the prior knowledge of Australia and its immigration policies, held by asylum seekers who have arrived here relatively recently by boat. If you're aware of any others, I'd be grateful if you could direct us to them.

As for your linked article about asylum seekers in Greece, why pick that one if there are "dozens of reliable studies done in Europe proving that country shopping does exist" that presumably support your position much better than it does? Did you actually read it in its entirety?

My reading of the article is that, despite Greece's appalling treatment of refugees who arrive there seeking asylum, their numbers increased twentyfold between 2001 and 2004 - i.e. Greece's harsh policies towards asylum seekers had no deterrent effect. Further, rather than being evidence for "country shopping", the article shows that asylum seekers only move on from Greece to other countries in Europe once they realise that they have almost no chance of finding safe refuge there.

Their situation is quite similar to those who hapless refugees who find themselves transported to Malaysia or Indonesia by people smugglers - except that Greece, of course, is a signatory to the UN Convention and has been quite rightly criticised by the UNHCR for its dereliction of its responsibilities under international law.

I don't assert that "anyone who is opposed to people smuggling and illegal immigrants... should be labelled zenophobic (sic) and racist". I'm opposed to illegal immigrants myself, but (for the umpteenth time) bona fide refugees are legally entitled to seek asylum in all countries that are signatories to the UN Convention, irrespective of how they enter them. I also advocate Australia setting up offshore processing facilities and protocols that would put the people smugglers out of business.

CJ Morgan

There is no reason to suggest that illegal immigrants act differently in Europe than they do here. Why do you suppose they might?

Do you often resort to negatively labelling your opponents to try to bring them into disrepute and thereby diminish the credibility of their arguments? The answer is a resounding 'Yes!'. Aren't you conscious of doing it?

Cornflower, for the umpteenth + 1 time, asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants.

Do you often resort to negatively and erroneously labelling the objects of your paranoia to try to bring them into disrepute and thereby diminish the credibility of their status as bona fide refugees?