Yes they cried out about it pied piper.
I fought my party on it ,saw it as too much information.
We are getting it via the back door with our health card.
And Labor fought Labor over it.
Counterfeit cards would be about a week after the first issue and fool many.
Just maybe we can not stop the refugee problems of the world ,but we can try.
Every day another reason for people to leave home happens drought hunger war and even China fears mass migration if North Korea crumbles.
Nature may very well fix the problem but why wait?
Happy the thread has got away from the idea its only an Australian problem, and that Howard could fix it.

Yes Pied Piper;
Everyone including Belly complained about it being too much
info in the governments hands and against their rights.
The embedded chip was just arriving on the scene and it was the
intention to use them.
The public and trendies did not seem to understand that the government
had almost all the info anyway. It was a method of tying a particular
person standing in front of you to that information.
It was to hold all your medical information so that doctors
could access the info if you arrived in hospital unconscious and
obtain medically orientated information.

No Belly, there are techniques that cannot be bypassed when the
embedded chip is used. The lack of the Australia card is why we have
so many overstayers. There would be only those who do not work or
claim any benefits, or pay rates or rent or have a credit card or
a phone or use the internet could overstay.

Before anyone says I don't want my bank to obtain my medical info,
just don't panic they can be setup in classes so each accessor can
only see his need to know info.

I would think anyone who can get his computer on the internet would know that.

Belly what exactly has this labor government done for you, kept the happy thoughts alive and given you a never ending supply of rose tinted specs?

I’ve just watched them, in record time, enable child abuse on a massive scale without even blinking .

This card thing: See funny thing is people with nothing to hide truly hide nothing. But Bazz is right, different providers only enabled to obtain their own relevant info.

Microchips not cards though would be a lot handier. Just swipe a body part at a bank, no more panic with lost wallets. Missing persons, kidnapped kids tracked by satellite – how many go missing in Oz each year?

Refugee problems in the world? Oh please just let people move, if all nations did it they’d soon figure out to stay clear of us, nice sunsets but crap attitude to the world.

War, hunger, and drought? So if say, for example, one hua of a meteor hit Oz and the place was sinking – would you expect some other county in the world to help you out?

[fourth sever error]

“The lack of the Australia card is why we have
so many overstayers. “

Not so, it would make no difference whatsoever, unless you had police checking everyone constantly. Then you'd have to compete with fake, stolen or lost ID cards. Add system melt downs, overloading, incorrect input of information and we have the same situation as now, but with more chances and avenues of abuse.

The cash market allows illegal undetected work ability, as does the certain aspects of the Tax act. The only way you can secure information is to have computers which think independently from humans and can differentiate between lawful access and hacked, something not available currently. There's no system in the world reliable enough to allow full security over peoples information, or to stop others accessing information they shouldn't. It's a daily occurrence around the country in every department and business.

If you leave it to politicians, bureaucrats and business to organise and control it, there'd be no change to the current bureaucratic chaos and ineptness. It goes on every day and good hackers can get round anything. Safety comes from having diversified information streams which are not related, in this way only certain parts are available to hackers or moles. A soon as you collate them together, you open a big door to fraud.

There's only one way to stop boat people, turn them around, after all they transit through a number of countries which are of their own ideology, religion, culture and reasonably stable. Their only reason for coming here, is to get free housing, money, health care, the ability to continue the lifestyles which caused their problems and permission to import their primitive destabilising customs, so their outcomes can be reproduced here.

stormbay: << Their only reason for coming here, is to get free housing, money, health care, the ability to continue the lifestyles which caused their problems and permission to import their primitive destabilising customs, so their outcomes can be reproduced here. >>

There in a nutshell we have a near caricature of the bigoted misinformation and attitudes espoused by the xenophobic, selfish and heartless contingent. Absolutely no factual basis for any of it - rather a distillation of all the hateful, racist factoids that are bandied about the disenfranchised 'One Nation' racist underbelly of this country.

It's interesting to note that, in this case, it's spouted by someone who claims to have Aboriginal ancestry and who also claims to be an educated professional who provides counselling services to the mentally ill.

Like I said, it's going to be ugly. Indeed, it already is.

‘There's only one way to stop boat people, turn them around, after all they transit through a number of countries which are of their own ideology, religion, culture and reasonably stable.’
Ignoring his following statement, how do you respond to this, which is clearly true? The countries may not be exactly the same, but they would seem far closer in nature than Australia?
Anyone?