Col

Not one for self-reflection are you? If you ever deigned to reread any of your posts AND actually reflected on how much they reveal about your narrow-minded and intellectually impoverished state of being, perhaps you would, in future, produce opinions of merit. At present you have failed to note that in past contributions to this thread I disagreed with the proposal of additional toilets for transgender people. In fact I supported the idea of uni-sex toilets, the only special provision being for parents of very young children, whose requirements though universal and commonplace, are neglected. Perhaps you have never had to change a nappy in a public toilet.

Nor do you bother to educate yourself about what it is to be human and the variations that occur either from birth or from environment. Homosexuality is a normal and natural occurrance throughout the animal world - and yes we are just animals, Col. As for your sneers at "aberrant behaviour" this is hardly the province of our homosexual community - heterosexual behaviour encompasses a diversity of what can also be described as "aberrant" at its most extreme. What a sheltered life you must lead.

In conclusion you have made two errors of judgement on this topic:

1. That I agreed to special provision of toilets for transgender - I do not.

2. That you believe homosexuality to be an deviant choice of behaviour.

As I and many others have stated (and provided abundant evidence) the majority of homosexuals are born not made and for those few who do choose same sex partners - so what? Why does it upset you so much that you expend copious time on threads devoted to homosexuality?

You protest much for a self-claimed independently motivated proponent of libertarian ideals.

Fractelle,

Is your discussion with Col just in here or is it a continuation of a discussion somewhere else or concurrant with a discussion somewhere else?

Your primary point of difference from Col in your most recent post appears to be a disagreement with his views on homosexuals which are apparently the same as his views on transgender persons but his comments in here seem to be solely about transgender persons arguing they shouldn't get special toilets (which you agree with) with a few insults flung at them in the process (which you naturally oppose).

(Or did I put homosexuals in your mind by talking about the politics of GBLT? If so sorry if it created any confusion.)

Thanks

In earlier post you said:
"Gender identification is not just "all in the mind", as Col states so viciously and MJPB suggests far more compassionately. The most obvious cases of gender ambiguity are those little babies born with dual or indeterminate genitalia, while other people may have clear physical gender distinction, others may not."

My guess is that DNA testing would be the first port of call to making a determination but it is not something I had in mind. I was thinking of people with normal genitalia who come to believe that they are the opposite gender. They were the ones I had in mind as regards an "all in the mind" guess.