Col Rouge and Jewely,
<<Only one person should hold decisions over the processes of an individuals body and that should be the person who occupies it.>>
According to your logic therefore, the only person who can decide over the processes of the foetus’ individual body is the foetus who occupies that body.
The fact that they are not able to make that decision is irrelevant because a one-day old child is equally incapable of making those decisions and hopefully you wouldn’t advocate the mother’s right to kill a one-day old child.
Sheltering behind arbitrary definitions which ascribe personhood only to the born is not valid either.
Otherwise we would have the absurd situation of identical twins where the first one out is a person
and the one remaining is a non-person.
You may then argue that the foetus is just part of the mother’s body but you yourself give the foetus autonomy by stating that “a fetus is a temporary occupant of a womans body”.
ie It is separate.
Then you say that the foetus can “expect to have only subordinate rights to those of the woman”
when in fact abortion is a total negation of rights.
To be truthful you would have to say that the foetus has zero in utero rights.
Yours would be absolute justification for abortion at any time for any reason.
I would disagree and argue that they have competing rights and that the severity of the situation should be the determinant of whose rights prevail.
eg, if a woman went to her doctor and said that she wanted an abortion because her 34 week old foetus made her look fat then her right to be vain would be subordinate to the foetus' right to life.
Your absolutist argument would invert those rights.
In contradistinction, where a mother's life was threatened by proceeding with a pregnancy the reverse argument might apply.
So while your homily may sound appealing to someone who is still trying to justify her decision of 22 years ago
(and no it wasn’t me at the clinic Jewely), it is internally inconsistent.

Thank you csteele. This I think I can grasp. You would like to see the number reduced. I would say this makes you a rather nice person to be around. I realise I phrased it badly the “should have anything to do with men”. More like it is nothing to do with men without invite from a female.

Reduction of abortions would occur if men and women ran better communities yeah? But a lower abortion rate would be the byproduct of these better communities hopefully not one reason for doing what is right. Col’s right, I start raving.

What is going on in my head is that yes if the baby does end up being wanted then the conception can be looked on with value. Am I on track with you here?

“I support a woman’s right to choose but don’t ask me to switch of my emotions because of my gender nor my sense of loss if an abortion occurs within my circle. This has allowed me to empathise with the sense of loss felt by the women involved.”

Supporting anyone’s rights must be a good thing. I am not asking men to switch off emotions or support. Just any words they might have unless invited by a female to speak. I do appreciate the manner in which you have offered your thoughts.

But I still believe a man/men should keep his/their thoughts unspoken on this. I can’t think of any other subject I would even have this thought where one gender be considered more than another.

Just this. I am not so stubborn that I am closed to someone being able to change my mind. I always thought it was indeed a wrong thought but I am unable to find an argument to persuade me why.

KMB, sorry again I wasn’t clear. I have never had an abortion, was a 15 year old girl I was getting through the crowd way back when. But on the bright side and should please you, to make it up I have a 15 year old foster child now with a baby.

>>Just yesterday a child called me “pooh face”<<

“Horrific experience. Fortunately there is a pooh-face support group just down the road, otherwise I'm not sure what I would have done.”

“I wonder if it was the same kid?”

I hope they have a “coffee comes out nose support group” next door cause that’s what happen when I read your message Pericles .

Then we’ll go find the little bugger and get KMB to explain something to the kid, anything will do.