Jewely,

<<I don't mind abortions although haven't had one. I don't think men should be allowed to even talk about this issue.>>
"I don't mind slaves although haven't had one. I don't think non slave-owners should be allowed to even talk about this issue."

Here's a gynaecologist talking about the issue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUr0jCbcPNc
Shame on him!

Ooh look - Col's found someone new to play with.

Welcome to OLO, Jewely. I'd recommend "not feeding the Col", but you seem to be having fun with him. Warning: he gets quite nasty.

Nice to be able to post.

Don't need to say anything Jewels; TB is TB,...

...and the measure of that is the spineless attack on Fractelle. Thatchers Boy is smart enough to know that she is a bit down,-so what does he do? Give a good kick!

Cowards usually join in when others have done the ground work. I only bug this lesser-breasted-spineless-yellow-crap-warbler, because he can't dominate me! Silly twisted boy.

He can't dominate Fractelle either,-she's sustained a bit of OLO concussion coming up against the increasingly anti-female profile of OLO.

IF....if, that is tacitly endorsed from the top ('feminist diatribe??'), then this macho-bullying will dramatically increase;-as it has. (eg: "Sexting.." Articles-7/4/09). I look forward to having a chat with one particular poster there. The thread has only just started, 23 pages is nothing more than a good start.

Thankfully there are enough real men on this site, who are settled enough in themselves to not feel threatened. God Bless 'em!

It's par for the course. But if you lock in with the gutless;-the racist;-the intolerant etc..., then make no mistake you WILL be targeted. Male or female. Your turn is coming Jewels!

KMB, you are a newby poster on OLO, but let me assure you, its
been discussed to death and I doubt if you will be able to raise a
single point, which has not been discussed before.

So I will sum it up for you. If you are against abortion, then
you are free to learn from the stats available. You should be
supporting much better sex education in schools and the availability
of conventient and cheap contraception, as we have in say Holland.
The net result is a dramatic drop in the abortion rate.

Crossing your legs for Jesus, was tried and tested in the US by
the Bush regime and the evidence shows that it was a dismal failure.

So there you have it.

"I don't mind slaves although haven't had one. I don't think non slave-owners should be allowed to even talk about this issue."

Here's a gynaecologist talking about the issue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUr0jCbcPNc
Shame on him!"

I am pleased you are here KMB, see I have always said this and I know in the back of my mind there must be a counter argument but I am seriously bad at arguing with myself. I would like to be convinced.

I truly don’t think abortions should have anything to do with men. I mean if they make their money by being the Dr that performs the Op then all power to them. But I really believe, not this, this choice men should not be allowed an opinion on. If they want to help then great but not voice an opinion. Well might be more complicated, if it is your kid in there and you really want it then you should be allowed to say so, put forth your reasons etc. But not be the one that decides.

Slaves or cars or even children…. I don’t see the connection. This physical thing females can do and make a choice about, this should not be discussed by men. Hey and I promise I wont talk about man stuff like, you know, man bits.

“Ooh look - Col's found someone new to play with.
Welcome to OLO, Jewely. I'd recommend "not feeding the Col", but you seem to be having fun with him. Warning: he gets quite nasty.”

Thanks for the heads up CJ, he’s certainly cross about something but I cannot figure it out. I have a playroom to the right of me and a computer in front of me and sometimes they merge. I tell a kid I am bit confused about what that word meant and tell some poor user to get his finger out of his nose.

Ginx - I don't want a turn!

Jewely,

People who own slaves deny the humanity of slaves.
Otherwise, how could they enslave them?
Women who abort their children deny the humanity of those children.
Otherwise, how could they kill them?

People who argue against slavery affirm the humanity of slaves.
How can you enslave another human?
People who argue against abortion affirm the humanity of unborn children.
How can you kill another human?

By any objective measure, it is hard to deny the humanity of a slave:
Make your own list.....
By any objective measure, it is hard to deny the humanity of an unborn child:
Biologically, their life begins at conception.
They have their own unique DNA.
They have their own bloodtype.
They have their own fingerprints.
A male foetus has a penis. Is it the mother's penis?

The common argument is that a woman can do what she wants with her own body.
Analogically, slave owners can do what they want with their own slave.

Another argument is that women, who "own" the foetus, should decide and it is none of men's business.
Analogically, slave owners should decide on the fate of their slave and it is no business of any non slave-owner.

Another common "argument" is that if you're against abortion then don't have one.
Analogically, if you're against slavery then don't own one.

So the question comes down to the humanity of the foetus, which can be reasonably supported, as described above.
Can it be definitively established that the foetus is not human?
If not, then surely the law should err in favour of the foetus.

I prefer the brutal honesty of pro-abortion feminists like Camille Paglia who

"frankly admit(s) that abortion is murder, the extermination of the powerless by the powerful.
Liberals for the most part have shrunk from facing the ethical consequences of their embrace of abortion,
which results in the annihilation of concrete individuals and not just clumps of insensate tissue."
http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2008/09/10/palin/print.html

At least people like her have thought about it.