OUG
I don't know your background however mine is retail for the past 30 odd years, 20 of which I have been self employed in QLD.

We saw the introduction of 7 day trading around 2001-02 from memory, then we saw the introduction of more fexible working conditions which meant that small business was able to compete with big business and small cafes and restaruants were able to trade without charging a surcharge for sundays.

This underpaying is just crap. Anyone who is good at what they do WILL NEVER work for less than they are worth, esspecially over the past decade when unemployment was so low.

Now we have a governement who wants to tighten up employment again without reducing trading hours.

We will either see a lot a closures, many jobs lost or surcharges for dinning out on sundays. Or a combination of all three. Just you wait and see what happens.

Say goodby to overtime, bonuses and above award conditions. Welcome to the controlled world of unionisum.

OUG
I think you will find it that the decision to trade longer hours was a state by atate decison.

7 day trading in QLD was again rejected back in the arly 90's then Peter Beaty decided that he was not happy with the decison of the commision and over ruled them. This is why we now have 7 day trading in QLD.

People go to work and earn money. Just because the shops are open longer only benefits the shopper as they get to choose when to shop. They have no extra money to spend yet it costs small business with extra wages and costs. Did you know that if we trade past 4.30 pm on weekdays, except thursdays, then I have to pay additional rent. Same applies on Sundays.

It stands to reason that if 25% of shopperts choose to shop after hours, then small traders have to be open or they will loose the opportunity to sell to those 25%ers. This means additional costs and less profits.

Extended hours have made woolworths and coles into late night convenient stores and hurt the small traders who relied on after hours trade.

All the majors did was cut back on their night fill staff and started filling shelves earlier. That's fact!

rehub quote>>..if we trade past 4.30 pm on weekdays..then I have to pay additional rent.Same applies on Sundays.>>

i will admit to being out of retail for over 20 years,and can see logic in saying wages increase,but really..rent going up simply by staying open,..well i just never heard of the concept[and after leaving retail i did real-estate for a year]

likewise i coulld understand increase in wage/electricity but again the incongruety of increased rent'sounds'right out there[like the daylight saving debate fading the curtains]..

i would lol but hey ...you know what you know ..so i will try hard to believe you say what you mean

shoppers dont shop at small buisness[ie are more likely to shop at large shopping centers after dark]so the 24/7 shopping thing was to serve big buisness intrests

quote]>>Anyone who is good at what they do WILL NEVER work for less than they are worth..when unemployment was so low.<<

mate tell that to the university graduates serving tables,howhard wanted the serfs tied to contracted 5 year terms,not indexed[that was pure supremist boss/exploiting the worker;extortion]and krudd hasnt cancelled them con-tracts,yet you say the following absurdity

>>Now we have a governement who wants to tighten up employment again without reducing trading hours.<<far as i can tell no-one has put up the topic[got a link?]

>>We will either see a lot a closures,many jobs lost or surcharges for dinning out on sundays>>>..

some proof please,..most are still on contracted terms[2 million of em]all they get is reduced hours,i would like to see those con-tracted into unfair terms sue howhard,the lobby and big buisness,

but..howhards unfair/system remains largly untouched by krudd,and the workers under unfair/contract..[no severance.holiday/sickness pay or overtime rates][and as for a fair-wage increase[well thats just not possable now is it?]

[lets not get into maternity pay]or bailing out defaulting big buisness simply shutting shop after spending the workers wages/holdaypay etc,there is good and bad but by and large the evil is done TO the worker,even my son whines to me about paying double time to his staff,..mate they earn it..[or you want to cancel public/holidays as well?

While I have some sympathy with the small business sector, their concerns and hard work are real enough, often for a poor return overall, I feel that those here are showing they’ve been sucked in, to the same outlook and approach pushed by big-business, and we can all see where that has brought us.
The whole “business model” has been corrupted. Credit, continuous profit “growth”, the de-personalisation of everyone, staff and customers alike, all have lead to what we now have. It may well be symptomatic of our whole culture nowadays, but unless we do something about it, there will always be conflict.
Wage earners, the workers, are the ones who ARE the business, they make it go. They strive to make a home etc in this world, and deserve a decent return for their labours, whether it be digging a hole, or sitting in an office somewhere pushing buttons.
As it stands, few have this, and we can all see where the money has gone, to people who tell us what those here are telling us.
Blame the Banks, blame the Yanks, blame the general social laziness of us all, but we must take responsibility, for what we have, and for what we believe we should have.
How to achieve this? Bluntly, I don’t know, but discussing it can’t hurt, it’s a start

OUG, yes you are right, I pay additional for trading after hours but I called it rent to make it simple.

Right here and now we still have some flexability in certain areas of work, esspecially hospitality, however that looks like it will change when the new IR laws are introduced, shortly, I beleive.

Resaurants and cafes already exhuab the GST and now they face additional wages. Public holidays I have no problem with, but Sundays are an issue. Remember, they are currently on a wage that has been negotiated to take into account Saturdays, Sundays and late nights. The base hourly rate is higher than if they were to work a normal 9-5 week.

Now we have a governement who wants to

Where did I say HAS!

me about paying double time to his staff,..mate they earn it..[
So you say they earn it. So where does the business owner, the one who puts his life on the line every day earn it.

Perhaps we should have a law that EVERYONE in business has to charge additional prices after hours, sundays and public holidays. At least then the business owner is not footing the bill for additional wages.

As for what I call 'over educated bar staff', the vast magority of these are uni students that are studying and take these part time jobs to help off-set their hex debt. Another joke, we can pay a single mother to have a child (often for the wrong reasons) yet we charge our most presious assetts, our children, for a decent education. One that will benefit our comunity. Bloody welfare, it's just a joke everywhere you look.

I think that ALL OVERTIME should be paid at normal rates with zero tax and PH at 1.5 times with zero tax. This way the worker wins and so does the business owner. If the government can't be contented with normal taxes raised from the 38 hr week, along with GST, then so be it. Trim welfare, make them earn it.

I'm still waiting to be stimulated, but now doubt I will be. Part-time casualised workers (attention Mr Rudd, no other options), who receive so little that the tax paid over the financial year is returned in full apparently will not be included in the 'stimulus package'. Are not these people as desperately in need as all other low income earners such as pensioners, carers and students? I strongly resent being 'left out', and what about the unemployed? This would also have to be a group most in need.