Lot to cover our bet stands me an increase you a decrease, PALE you alone are the reason you can not get an animal welfare thread started.
Col Rouge, you truly must try not to display your rude nature.
The ALP have won the next election, have no doubts examinator, I am a student of politics trust me.
But wait there is more Turnbull will lead, Costello? if he lead a true landslide to Labor historic record one.
Labor will win extra seats, not less.
He will never lead, he got massive tax revenue to get those great results, including fuel tax's, he had no go in him just luck, he is gone believe it.
Conservatives try to say I got it wrong in my mirror statement.
Re read their posts here, see the desperate hope Labor will fall over, they would have to, no one is trying to defeat them.
Pyne? do not under value the weight he must carry, for him the race is a handicap, he has top weight, he is exactly what voters want, what his party once thrived on, but his conservative Liberalism is out of fashion in his party.
PALE, yes I know I said I did not want to talk to you I will stop soon.
In entering this thread to get into me,well does not matter, I truly do not think you understand why you fall out with so many.
Lets keep on subject sorry but I had to answer that post.

I mean. Who do you think did the budget Morgan.
Called the shots on who got subs and who didn’t. Worked with the incredibly immoral principles of Downer and Vaile. Who else but good old Peter.
The problem is as I said you people pick sides like school kids. We need people to take some time to research wants is really happening to Australia and make comments based on that.

I posted this in the ‘Have the libs lost the plot thread’ I suggest everyone take a look at what is going on around us.

www.worldhalalforum.org

So you want me to tell you about Peter Costello Ok, he supported the sickening pathetic immoral IMO Mr Downer who somehow managed to escape charges at the AWB Enquiry along with the disgusting Mark Vaile. Peter Costello had something in common with these miserable excuses for human beings. Every feedlot that he approved the figures on and assistance in setting up via the foreign aid programme he approved through tariffs yet again another diversion of our jobs and value adding from the Australian economy and community. It was funds that Peter Costello might have otherwise alternatively channelled towards the Australian industry.

*PALE, yes I know I said I did not want to talk to you I will stop soon.*
You’re a classic belly, you really are. You have more moves than a Swiss watch. You might find I am not the threat or enemy you think if only you’d stop dodging. We have worked with AMIEU for years!
I don’t mind if you debate me on the issue but to try to stop our posts claiming we are trying to turn every post to animal welfare is disingenuous.

Hewson Has nothing to crow about either. Kevin Rudd had to pay 500 million for advice outside his advisors.
Things are really crook.

While I think that Costello has probably done his dash,Labor fear him more than any person in Parliament.He may not be loved by the electorate, but he is highly intelligent,intuitive and has lots of experience.The big cloud over his head is having the courage of his convictions.
Personally,I like his humour but I don't really know the man.Can we trust him? That is the $42 billion question.We all know Kevin the bureaucrat will side step every important issue and he will probably be a dismal failure,but does Costello have the balls for leadership?

We really have a dearth of talent on both sides of parliament that will be a disaster for us all when the big crunch comes.

Arjay,

I agree with you that Costello is intelligent. But, I think that's the only thing he's got and it isn't enough to be elected PM. He doesn't have the appeal to the electorate and his backbench apparently, and he doesn't have the strength or toughness to make hard decisions.

On the latter point, when he was Treasurer, the Legislation required him to make the hard decision on whether or not to allow Shell to take over Woodside. Instead of doing what Howard would have done and making a decision and wearing the consequences, Pete was out there telling the electorate how difficult the decision was and making a show of going through some inward agonising, like he was looking for a reward for his efforts. He looked weak and underdone for the top job. It looked to me like he wanted things to be put on a silver platter.

For those reasons, I reckon he'd be a risk. If the question is, would he be better than Rudd in an economic sense, the answer is probably yes. If the question is, would he be good enough, I think the answer is no. IMO, Turnbull would be stronger and thus better economically.

Arjay,

I agree. Hes considerd one of the world`s best. If he stays away from the Nats which I think he would do this time he could pick his time and run the country.
Think he`s the only capable, of getting us back out of the red.
Wrote him once, a long time ago, asking him to consider opposing Howard.
I have posted above my personal thoughts on those who he was in bed with but- if anybody can look at the figures can fix things its this man.
Hes got a political savvy that few have.
I hope Costello comes back and makes a some changes. All he`s got to do is pick on something that a pretty hot issue.
Rudd did that pre election but mislead the public. Costello will be right onto that should he ever want to run.

.People dont forget that. We dont intend to.

I offer this mornings poll results in the Australian as evidence in this debate.
What has it got to do with Hewson vs Costello?
Every thing.
Rudd has risen 2% Turnbull stands at 20% no man is better suited to lead the Libs than Turnbull.
Why then are some in his party under mining him?
It is a party bogged down in the past, unwilling to except the challenge of rebuilding.
Costello is in fact every thing Hewson said he was, every thing John Howard said about his potential as leader is true.
Over all this mornings polling, if carried into an election would be the worst result in conservative history.
Looking for fleas that do not exist on the ALP is not building policy's to win government.
Looking to yesterdays failures for tomorrows victory's only worked for John Howard, with great help from a far different ALP.
The dead hand of the right, out of fashion everywhere in the western world, holds a stop sign in the face of this federal opposition.
Go back gentlemen you are going the wrong way.
If you yes you, could be in Rudd's shoes for a while, would you trigger an early election?
Say a full election of both houses?
Get ready to go to the polls while the school yard fights have conservatives on the rack ,we will vote this year, want to bet palimpsest?