"biblical facts"?

Are you sure you're not a Christian?

Oh, how little you know me, OP2.

>>With each post your frustrations grow... lie down mate... you are getting high blood pressure...lol... You seem to be angry that I tell the truth... Wow!<<

Not me, pal.

But you still don't understand that a closed, rhetorical question has no place in open discussion.

>>Are you arguing for a continuance of misleading the congregations of churches about their Bible, dishonesty in teaching, and are you against proper religious education & informing people of biblical facts? Is keeping people uninformed or ill-informed your purpose here?<<

There, you have strung five of them together in a single paragraph. None of them can be discussed, as they can only be answered yes, or no. And because they are rhetorical, there is not even any point in going that far.

My question is the same as it was from the start - what is your motive in needling Christians about their beliefs?

You see, that is an open question, which is one that requires more than a simple yes or no answer.

Your simplistic assertion is that somewhere there is this thing called truth, and that Christians need to understand that the Bible doesn't have any.

But you refuse to acknowledge that Christians do not, in general, rely upon the literal truth of the Bible, for their faith. And this being so, all your ranting and raving is completely and utterly pointless.

You think that you are...

>>...educating [Christians] about problems with the Bible and what they have been taught in their current religion.<<

But they know that there are contradictions in the Bible, and have chosen the big picture - religious belief - over nit-picking detail in an ancient document.

So what's the point you are really trying to make?

It would be nice if you could answer these open questions truthfully.

And please, drop the annoying interjections of Ha! lol! and Wow!

They are no substitute for argument.

Pericles please stop harping!

Are you lecturing on closed and open sentences - all your posts gave the impression you were against educating people.

So I'll answer one of my closed sentences for you pretending to be you.

<<Is keeping people uninformed or ill-informed your purpose here?<<

Yes, it is OP2 ... I want people to remain ill-informed so I can argue with them better... It makes me feel superior...lol

You stated : <<But they know that there are contradictions in the Bible, and have chosen the big picture - religious belief - over nit-picking detail in an ancient document.>>

What rot... if they knew this they would not call the Bible inerrant and the word of God. - That comment defies logic Pericles! I have never heard 1 christian say I look at the big picture and disregard the rest of the Bible! Have you?

And following on to this my reason for this thread was to better inform people about the things that their churches aren't teaching them. This is so simple.

Many Christians don't know what their Bibles state... they criticise the Qu'ran in complete ignorance that many of the things are in their Bibles also.

They perpetuate the hatred and discrimination against homosexuals and never realise that their Bible is full of other rules they totally ignore like Deutronomy 22:28-29, or Deuteronomy 17:12 This proves you are wrong! A loving, all knowing, all seeing, intelligent God couldn't possibly have made these laws! Could he?

RE-read your attitudes in these posts - you even thought I was starting a religion! You have actually defeated your own arguments and don't realise it! Relax Pericles you take yourself way too seriously!

Bugsy : There are some facts in the Bible (here are 2).... 1. King Herod the Great did exist he died in 4BC... OOps then how did he order the killing of all kids under 2 years old in Matthew 2:16?

2. Pontius Pilot was in charge of Judea around the time of Jesus' ministry.

But I am not a Christian

WOW, thems some controversial facts. No wonder Christians need to know them.

Closed and open questions, OP2. Not sentences. Questions.

>>Pericles please stop harping! Are you lecturing on closed and open sentences - all your posts gave the impression you were against educating people<<

I'm definitely in favour of education. I'm definitely against closed, rhetorical questions designed to insult the intelligence of others.

>>What rot... if they knew this they would not call the Bible inerrant and the word of God. - That comment defies logic Pericles! I have never heard 1 christian say I look at the big picture and disregard the rest of the Bible! Have you?<<

Once again, one of your impossible questions.

I know many Christians who do not believe the Bible "inerrant". In fact, that would be most of them. However, I have not heard them say that they "disregard" any part of the Bible, errant or inerrant. As far as I can tell, it is a book of inspiration and guidance, rather than an instruction manual to be blindly followed.

>>And following on to this my reason for this thread was to better inform people about the things that their churches aren't teaching them. This is so simple.<<

And also rather presumptuous, for a non-Christian.

>>RE-read your attitudes in these posts - you even thought I was starting a religion!<<

You were mistaken when you first brought this up, and you are mistaken now. Go back and check.

But wait - what's this?

>>Many Christians don't know what their Bibles state... they criticise the Qu'ran in complete ignorance that many of the things are in their Bibles also.<<

Not a Christian. Lives in the Shire. Knows the Qur'an. Even spells Qur'an intelligently...

Are you really, really sure that you don't have an agenda here, OP2?

Pericles,

An agenda here - NO!

In John 14:28 Jesus states that God is greater than he is ... Matthew 27:46 Jesus cries "My God, My God Why did you abandon me" If the concept of the trinity being one entity is correct - Why did Jesus say these things? Can the churches justify their interpretations?

If Jesus said as quoted in Matthew 6:24 ...."You cannot serve both God and money"... How do Wealthy christians reconcile their faith and their obligations to Jesus' word? Why have the churches become so wealthy when this is Jesus explicit statement? Does it apply to them?

If Jesus said Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge others" and God created the outrageous rule where a woman must marry her rapist if he can pay 50 silver pieces (Deuteronomy 22:28-29) then why do Christian churches hold true the judgments they place on homosexuals?

How do Christians reconcile the God of the OT and Jesus in the NT?

Why did Moses order so many killings? And did God really give this permission Deuteronomy 20 10-14?

Did God really threaten people that he would kill children in Leviticus 26:21-22 or Isaiah 13:15-18... from my religious instruction I just can't see it!

Would a loving caring God who knows all we will do, are doing, and have done, order this? (Deuteronomy 22:20-21)

How do Christians reconcile changing the sabbath from a Saturday to a Sunday when God's allegedly inerrant and infallible word threatens death for doing so in Exodus 31:12-15?

Is it time as a society that we grew up and agreed that the OT is just unreliable and we adopt Jesus' own words ...John 13:34. "I give you a new commandment: love one another. As I have loved you, so you shall also love one another." completely, openly and without discrimination of any kind?

Imagine a world full of love and peace that we humans created. What would your God's reward be for that?