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Is Christianity for real?

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Recently we have taken in a woman who is from another state but has business to do here. I have never met someone who is so allegedly religious and so biblically ill-informed.

She believes that God created the world in 6 days and that man and dinosaurs walked together. Amazing!

Furthermore like most Christians she says the Bible is infallible and that it is God's exact word and where written by man he guided the hand of the writer. WOW!

SO I pointed out a few of the infallible bits that seemed very fallible.

Genesis 1:25 and Genisis 1:26 compared to Genisis 2:18 and Genisis 2:19 contradict each other quite considerably.

In Matthew 1:16 Jacob begat Joseph - In Luke 3:23 Joseph was the son of Heli. In fact most of those genealogies don't agree.

Finally on the trinity John 14: 28 Jesus yep Jesus himself says ..... "I am going to the Father for he is greater than I" .... and yet these religious people won't countenance the fact that they are either wrong or the Bible and Jesus are wrong. Is it Christian to mislead people on the Bible?

Finally I asked the lady if God asked her to kill people like he allegedly did in Judges 21 :10-12 would she do it. She answered I would have to think about that. Amazing we may have a potential murderer in our house. Funny though shalt not kill didn't come to her mind!

God knew before hand that we would eat of the fruit - he knows all things before we do it apparently - He gives us the ability to think - to have a questioning mind - Why does doctrinal teachings suppress intellect and the use of God's gift - intelligence?
Posted by Opinionated2, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 12:01:25 PM
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>>Is Christianity for real?<<

Is this a troll?

It would be a really good idea to separate the man from the ball here, Opinionated2.

It's one thing to rabbit on about an individual's quirky behaviour - although quite what relevance it has on a forum like this I'm not sure - and completely another to draw conclusions about an entire religion from that person.

I am not a Christian. I am not even religious. But it does seem to me that the tendency to generalize from the particular is an extremely bad habit, and should be pointed out at every opportunity.

I used to chastise Boaz for the same poor form when he was around doing his whack-a-mozzie schtick, so it would be remiss of me not to point out that it is not at all polite, whatever the topic.
Posted by Pericles, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 2:20:10 PM
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Oh its real alright.... sadly

These miscreants will gladly kill for their imaginary friend in the sky. They are hateful and bigoted towards unbelievers and other religions and are at the root of all todays terrorism and wars.

You need to listen to what these people believe, it is totally insane and dangerous. They would gladly bring on nuclear war and holocaust if they thought they were serving their weird vindictive super hero.

Talk to your guest and try to show her the nastiness and evil that religion has brought us. Try to use reason and logic, they find that very hard to deal with and usually resort to mindless platitudes and selective quotes from their scriptures. These are easy to defuse with a few quotes of your own (as I see you are already good at). Intellect will always win out over these fools but they usually resort to insults and sulking and curseing you to hell but we must try anyway. I know I always have some very interesting debates with the godbotherers who come knocking on my door. One day I will convert one. Good luck.
Posted by mikk, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 2:26:11 PM
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Sorry Pericles that you don't see the relevance here but others will. Watch and learn.

I am not judging the whole of Christianity on one persons attitude or knowledge. It was a lead in to a general discussion so that people can express and debate their knowledge and opinions on the matter.

This afterall is an online opinion site... you gave me yours and I find it quite irrelevant but I defend your right to be heard. I didn't see in the terms of use that I could only discuss topics approved by Pericles but if I'm wrong just let me know...Ha! Only joking!

Christians should be "followers of the teachings and example of Christ"! They should therefore be open to discussion about the Bible and to if needed justify why they hold such a view. It is healthy for them to reflect on all things biblical.

I am not assessing every Christian by this one person (please re-read my comment) but I am discussing the religion amongst people who choose to discuss it.
Posted by Opinionated2, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 2:48:52 PM
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Opinionated2 writes: “Christians should be "followers of the teachings and example of Christ"!”

Well, yes - predominantly.

But the Bible is one big multiple choice book - a ‘Choose Your Own Adventure’ if you will.

An example of this is the flagrant bigotry we see from Christians towards homosexuals. Jesus never said anything about homosexuality; Christians select verses from books like Leviticus, yet according to that very same book - only verses away - disobedient children and adulterers should be killed; eating shellfish is an abomination; and slavery is an acceptable practice - none of which any sane Christian would take seriously today.

The beauty (or horror) of religions is that they provide their followers with a sense of divine justification for their individual prejudices. Simply pick the bits you like and ignore the rest.

It just goes to show that wherever it is we get our morals from, it certainly isn’t the Bible.
Posted by AdamD, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 4:31:54 PM
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Thankyou mikk for your post.... I agree with your method ... If the Bible is truly the word of God in the minds of Christians then they should understand that they need to explain the problems contained in it.

Thankyou also AdamD I absolutely agree that many Christians cherry pick the Bible to suit their biases. I can never fathom why they being so full of God's love can attack homosexuality so vehemently when they don't apply ALL the laws handed down to Moses - other than those changed by Jesus in Matthew 5 and 6.

A typical example of this is where in Exodus 21 7:11 he allows a man to sell his kids into slavery if he is short of money and how the son is released after 7 years but not the daughter. - Apparently Gods law.

But one of the worst laws is in Deuteronomy 22: 28-29 where it says
"If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, 29 Then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days.

If the laws against homosexuality are so correct then so are these others that I have listed... How can anyone believe that their loving compassionate God could come up with such horrid laws?

How can 50 sheckels of silver be a penalty for rape? How can a God who loves all his children force a woman to marry her rapist? Does a rich person only need 50 sheckels of silver and to rape the woman he wants under this supposed law of God?

So much for creating us all equally.
Posted by Opinionated2, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 6:10:30 PM
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