examinator
"We have exit routes (multiple) planed...thrown into the car and away"
Do you think many people use their brain LIKE YOU? If the government adviced them to stay in their homes and fight for them they did!
Instead to use their brain they followed authorities's advices, they followed experts advices.
Most people react in the risks with this way. The authorities knew, or had to knew that people followed their advices"stay and fight"
It was their duties to give them the right advices and rescue them from the fires.

Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

I see no difference between these activists and arsonists who light fires... they are equally to blame for the consequences of their actions. !

You are forgetting one important group. That in those who choose to live in these places knowing full well the dangers associated with their choices. Prevention is ALWAYS better than cure?

Don't forget, one of the worst problems associated with serious bush fires are 'fire balls'. We saw them in the Sydney fires, back in the 90's I think. These can travel up to 700 metres and land on a house. Nothing can stop that and, the tops of gum trees hold far more fuel than what is on the ground.

Let's face it. You will not be attacted by a shark if you don't enter the water. Your kids will not commit a crime if they are always cared for and watched every day. Kids won't drown in a pool if they are properly supervised.

If you are aware of the dangers and still take the risk then you must be prepared for the concequences. As sad as it is!

*PALEIF I am returning from past OLO *.

ShazBaz001,

:} Is that B.C.

*Would you walk the dark back streets of lesser suburbs alone at night, leave doors open when you go out? Of course not it’s too risky to take safety/security for granted.
examinator,*

Not if I were you :) - especially, being as confused, as you are, about whom your meant to be posting to. In that state of mind why anything you could happen. Gee you even forget who ‘you’ are and walk under a bus.

Anansi maybe you too are part of the problem, sorry but just maybe.

Belly

Could be, belly could be.

Yabby
Thanks for that. I haven’t read it all as yet.

The only draw back I see so far is I think you have to put it on just before a fire.
That’s pretty hard to judge in Australia especially when they are being lit on purpose. Still there’s a lot of interesting info.

I have written to the company and intend to read the rest in bed tonight.
I noted that their Parks and safety and local fire men assist the elderly by doing their homes. It looks like its been used as a fire break for animals as well.

Have you read all of it?

This could be a bit of a worry. See: http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2151#45703

Fractelle's last post was timestamped 4/02/2009 7:50:22 AM in her comment history. That was the Wednesday before the Victorian fires. I am not aware of any more specific indication of where she was living than that provided in the link above, which indicates just 'the ranges'.

Has anyone heard anything with respect to Fractelle?

She did indicate she was experiencing some health problems around 15 January, which was followed by around ten days during which she did not post, so perhaps she has had a recurrence of whatever ailed her, but I wonder.

Forrest Gumpp,

Nice of you to be concerned and observant as well.

Er , Perhaps Dickie could help with that question:

Yabby

I forgot to inform you I contacted Elders about the fire insurance.

At this stage they said they intend to pay out on all claims even if it was shown to be caused via Arson.

Let`s hope so.

Looks like they need lots of plumbers and water wants and caravans asap


Poor buggers. Gee I wish we could do more.

"Did people see that survivor last night? the one who hide in his bunker?
That his home survived, that he had clear ground around his home but suffered from heat and hot air?"

Belly,

I saw that story - it was very interesting and informative.
He wanted to a construct a bunker that would survive a bomb and so put in an old shipping container above ground next to his house which he coated with cement. When the fire got too hot and/or the smoke too great, he retreated to the bunker, poking his nose out every so often to see if it was safe. When it was, he put out spot fires that started up in his yard etc and probably saved his house.