Here is some more of what caused these fires

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/green-ideas-must-take-blame-for-deaths-20090211-84mk.html?from=top5

from the article "Governments appeasing the green beast have ignored numerous state and federal bushfire inquiries over the past decade, almost all of which have recommended increasing the practice of "prescribed burning". Also known as "hazard reduction", it is a methodical regime of burning off flammable ground cover in cooler months, in a controlled fashion, so it does not fuel the inevitable summer bushfires."

"The contractors were out working on the fire lines. They put in containment lines and cleared off some of the fire trails. Two weeks later that fire broke out, but unfortunately those trails had been blocked up again [by greens] to turn it back to its natural state "

if you are pro-green an support the unilateral action of self appointed environmental activist / vandals...

you are supporting killers,

I see no difference between these activists and arsonists who light fires... they are equally to blame for the consequences of their actions.

and as for government.. I see we will now get the emergency warning system which was successfully tested after the 2004 fires...

but it is at a fairly high price of 200 + dead from these fires,

many of whom would not have died if the state government incompetence had not been aggrevated by bungling and paper shuffling or crippled by political vacillation.

Gertrude here is the website:

http://www.barricadegel.com/

I don't know if this stuff is even sold in Australia or has been
tested here. They once showed some demos on Australian tv and they
were pretty impressive, but being a skeptic, I want to hear all the
bad news about the product...

As to Elders Insurance, AFAIK they only flog somebody elses product
and don't run their own insurance company, but that might have
changed over the years.

Even insurance companies simply play a numbers game. If the risk
adds up to being too great, they use reinsurance to cover their
arses

All the talk of revenge eg Death Penalty and hyperactive Telephone early warnings will make not one iota of difference .
The problem is the combustable load on the forest floor , nothing will save anyone from fire until this issue is addressed .
It will never be addressed because the people like the forrest the way it is , eg the more load the better it looks !! Or so they think what they don't know is this , if the forrest was control burnt on a regular basis it would support more : wildlife , native grasses , flora , fungi , insects etc in other words the forrest would return to the way it was pre white man . And safty would prevail just like the Aboriginal people found out .

Yabby,
I was answering Nicky's point.
In context you are correct but it isn't always the greenies’ fault.
I’ve been trying for 5 years to get the council to do a cold burn or clean up in our area. I've even got the support of SES who have assessed a near by gully as holding 16tonnes per hectare, well above the sensible level 2-3 tph.
With that much undergrowth (including Lantana and weeds being 80% of it etc) to burn would be too dangerous.

Therefore by hand is the only other option.
This would take more manpower ($) than the council is prepared to spend given that the public consider other projects more important. ($16m on a performing arts centre)

Also my 40 hectare spot is one smallish patch under the council control.
This same public throw their garden prunings/waste in the bush adding to the weed and fire load. Then become violet to anyone who tries to stop them. As a bush carer I have been abused, threatened had my house egged, cars attacked simple because part of my responsibility was to clean the area up fence off sensitive areas Ensure fire access is clear and reveg.

Some citizens store their illegally bush obtained fire wood blocking there fire access tracks during summer.

On one side the farmers were the most hostile clearing their land and pushing it onto council bush reserve.

I have caught 4 groups of boys have set fires in the bush. In one case I had to go to court … The father and brother buttonholed my son at the train station and threatened our family….the police can’t do anything until they do something and then we need proof.

The added problem was that in the last 2 years wind and conditions weren’t right to attempt a burn off with houses so close.

Old retiring farmers want to make a killing by selling their land to developers who build regardless of the probability of problems including devastating bush fires.
No one owns the problem. All will scream victim when a fire happens.
Solutions gratefully received

Sorry shazbaz 001 some people made the forest what it is, 30 years ago it was burnt in colder months and past fire storms fed in hot weather on unburnt ground.
Now most ground is unburnt, rechtub you did not say anything most who understand the issue did.
Fire trails, well once they worked in part, no green group would not fight if we made enough fire breaks to work.
How can you tell the difference between radical greens and terrorists?
Both murder innocents for beliefs most do not share.
Remember my national parks and wildfire slur?
Strange as it may seem the idiotic actions of that group give other idiots reason to become fire bugs!
Some proudly boast of lighting up the parks, as a result of the tragic event, and those that are coming, we may see less fire bugs, but we will not stop them, every one sent to prison is a help.
It has rained in my part of NSW today ,we are safe for a while, not forever, homes built in the bush are going to be tomorrows tragic news.

ShazBaz001,


Welcome to this forum- Your first post.

How did you hear of OLO


Yabby,
*I was answering Nicky's point.
As a bush carer I have been abused, threatened had my house egged,* cars
examinator.

Ooops!
Nicky has not posted on this thread- ...

examinator.?