Col Rouge I agree, with your every word in this thread!
Yabby also I too think bunkers will soon get governments involved and cost a great deal.
Some will still die in them, some may have trees fall over them, so close is the bush to some.
NSW calls its national parks and wild fire, yes not wild life.
The RC will support prevention is far better than bunkers.
You can control fire.
burn of, clear scrub build in safe places better homes, put your bunker in but do not invite the bush into your home, it will burn one day, thats its fate to burn so new growth can take place.
You do die in fires because you can not breath the heated air, wild fires jump over your head and seem able to stay just as hot when landing many meters away.
The oils in gum and tee trees and many other trees is very volatile, it becomes gas at super heated fires worse than petrol.
We will learn things that truly shock us from the Royal commission, fire fighters have warned of this, so have I for years, if only we had been wrong, we will not wait 50 years to see even more die in fires in one event if we do not change green dominated idiotic laws.
controlled burning is a friend of the bush, an act of conservation and life saving for humans and animals.

‘$40 million. –one from Her Majesty.’

Thanks for the update Foxy.

Guys just thinking .There could be another problem around the corner. - hope not.
Arson isn’t covered under insurance because it comes under the criminal code.

Many would be insured with Elders in regional areas. I hear through they were in trouble so here’s hoping they don’t leg it out the back paddock.

'A concrete drain pipe is ideal'.
rstuart,
Its certainty better than nothing.

Yabby
I can’t find the link to that product you posted.
If I ask you nicely, would you be a dear, and re posts it pls... I am pretty interested to check it out for our farms. Removed my rescue animals two weeks ago concerned about fire as nobody lives there.

I agree with not wanting Government to appoint local councils to overseas bunkers. It would be a nightmare for the people dealing with bearacrats

Why don’t we get onto Rudd to use some of our two hundred million to create a few jobs in the prisons and pay subs for buyers? Cheap Labour Belly we have to beat those unions some how :) just kidding.

While he is there he can get Rio Tinto and BHP back to work putting a pipe from QLD to flush out the Murray River

That’s creates jobs straight away and they already have the equipment

I hope
That the Royal commission is not a white wash event.
That it recommends prevention not ignoring the nature of the bush.
The crime of arson is given a nation wide review, standard sentencing , harsh penalty's.
That once more preventive burning is used to train fire fighters and protect the bush and it residents human and other.
I hate giving power to councils, all councils, would rather do away with them all.
But the RC should ensure homes are not built to kill.
Bunkers yes or no I do hope, gee I truly do, we understand the risks and prevent bush fires as front line first step.
NSW saw an inquiry into deaths of national parks fire fighters, it like many into deaths failed to change any thing.
Please let it rain in Victoria.
And please do not forget without change this is certain to happen again soon, maybe, please not this month.

Yabby “then clearly there will have to be state building
codes and council approval of those mandatory bunkers.”

Those are scary words….

“State building codes”

“Council approval”

“mandatory bunkers”

Three expressions of state authority to tell us how the dead hand of officialdom will decree how we will be allowed to live

The scary part

I a listening to the radio..

A few minutes ago I am hearing how the only house left standing after one fire belongs to a bloke who was fined $50,000 for bull dozing 247 trees to make a fire break and he does have another 40,000 trees on his property –

he feels vindicated and is pondering applying for the rescinding the judgment and return of the penalty monies.

So some paid flunky of the state would have issued the demand to prosecute this land owner.

I wonder if it might be the same flunky of the state who will be supervising the bunker design?

If it is we have history to guide us to the complete waste of space such paid flunkies represent

and if it isn’t it will be some alternate flunky which floated up from the shallow end of the gene pool -

You could build a bunker under a swimming pool out of reinforced asbestos lined steel and it would still burn like spilt petrol on a 40 degree day.

As to any suggestion from dickie,

following dickies unrestrained ad hominines on this thread, I fear any “wisdom” which might be sourced from that “well of knowledge” is going to be pre-tainted with the poison of the regurgitated toxins which harness the qualities of dioxin after its being thrown through a concentrator.

I would not trust or put any faith in any thing, on any topic dickie managed to scrawl across this or any other thread.

Now some of you will hate me for this but we must face facts.

Firstly though, my heart goes out for the surviving victims of the fires and I wish them well.

In reality, all insured property owners accross the country suffer from an event such as this as all policies are raised in order to off-set the payouts for the rebuilding of the homes and possesions lost.

It appears obvious that even if a 30m buffer zone were to be allowed around each home site, whereby the undergrowth was cleared, many if not most of these homes would still have been lost, perhaps even most of the lives.

It is my opinion that if anyone chooses to re-build in these areas then they must take on some of the risk themselves in the way of high excesses on thier insurance premiums. That's assuming that any insurance company will re-insure them.

As cold hearted as this may sound, everyone must take resonable steps to mitigate thier losses and building a home, on the top of a heavily forrested hillside is not what I would call taking reasonable precausions to prevent this situation from re-occuring.

Let's face it, houses are not meant to be built on the top of a hill surrounded by bush as it is a disarster waiting to happen.

Please don't take this the wrong way as I have no problem assiting these people, this time!

'I hope That the Royal commission is not a white wash event...'

Belly, that’s what they are for ,damage control, for authorities.

This time, we should run an alternative public enquiry right on location to compare evidence. Give the media some comparison.

'I hate giving power to councils,'
Us too!

Please let it rain in Victoria.

Amen to that Belly.



Col Rouge has posted a wise insight into this whole mess in agreement to yet another of Yabbys rare insights:)

Yes they are scary words….

“State building codes”

“Council approval”

“mandatory bunkers”

*Three expressions of state authority to tell us how the dead hand of officialdom will decree how we will be allowed to live.*

*So some paid flunky of the state would have issued the demand to prosecute this land owner.*

*I wonder if it might be the same flunky of the state who will be supervising the bunker design.*
All too true Mr Rouge

rehctub
We could never hate you . You know you are our preferred PM.
I have already, pointed out the insurance companies, have a leg out, if this is declared a crime scene.
Many would be insured with Elders. Most in fact. I fear some may have big problems ahead involving insurance pay outs TBO.

One things clear, these fires involve, more than one fire bug- and they are organised.


This was shown to be a hoax
http://cracker.com.au/politics-forum/sheikh-haron-after-bushfire-claims-and-takes-responsibility/240509/thread

But what about some of our 'own extremist nutters going about declairing the fires were because of abortion.

Anyway I guess its kind of in poor taste now to speculate while people are suffering- and animals.

All we can do now is help by giving blood, food, supplies hay and practicle assistance.

Where are the AFP I wonder as its already been declaired a Crime scene.

I might contact Elders head office and some others to request a written statement that they intend to pay out regardless or not if its put down to Arson.

Cheers rehctubn always nice to hear from you.