PALE&IF: << Which is far more than YOU have ever done. >>

You know nothing about me and my constructive involvement with Aboriginal and Islander people over the past quarter of a century or so.

<< We have never come experienced such nasty ! >>

Do try and learn to write in comprehensible English. Nicky's right - your so-called 'proposal' wouldn't get past a politician's office flunky. It looks like it's written by a child or someone with an intellectual disability.

OK - that's more than enough oxygen now.

Foxy, while you frame your ideas in such a way, you are clearly favouring the assimilation (force the British culture and values down their throats) philosophy rather than an integrative approach. You are showing a certain impertinence in "how do we get them to want to work". A work ethic is a social construct applicable in different ways in different communities and cultures.

Has it occurred to you and PALE that the Aboriginal people may not WANT "help" in the form that you seem to want to force upon them?

PALE,when - precisely - did the Malaysian politicians "like" your "proposal"? And the Queensland politicians? Peter Beattie, in case you haven't noticed, is old news, and you never have provided any information on progress of any of your "proposals" in six years. Nothing recent on your website/s since God knows how long ago.

As for nastiness - you shouldn't dish it out if you can't take it, and if you're going to dish it out, you should at least try and make it intelligible. And perhaps you could cite the reference where Yabby claimed that I am "jealous of RSPCA QLD AFIC and PALE's efforts...."

Even Yabby would not say anything as bizarre as that.

I'd also be fascinated to know just what role PALE played in the "we have just appointed the first Aboriginal Inspectors". What were the selection criteria? Were they specifically Aboriginal identified positions? Or don't you know?

CJ Morgan is right, nothing you write would get past the office junior in an electorate office. I can only presume someone else wrote whatever it was back in the dim and distant past. A bit like the submissions to the Senate RRAT Animal Welfare Committee - they were irrelevant and largely incomprehensible, advertisements for PALE slaughterhouses, and demands for everyone in the movement to fall into line with PALE, nothing more.

Nicky

I often think my passion leads me to mud holes, but after reading my last post I can not avoid its the way I think.
I however can not ignore each of those failures [trainees] felt separated from those they worked with.
Every one of them clearly was to shy to mix with others, many had problems at home that over whelmed them.
I do not propose separation, jobs for Aboriginals only, but we must change too understand the differences in our cultures, our daily lives.
Right now, sorry not prepared to change this view, some within this community see reconciliation like a cargo cult.
We have done a dreadful job for 200 years lets get it right this time.

Dear Foxy

That’s Ok; I know it’s hard to take in all at once. We are of course posting on OLO for different reasons than yourself. You come in to relax, i understand that. Ours is to let people know the programmes are out there. We are very excited about them. The fact that the Warren Pitt when he was Minister for Aboriginal Affairs in QLD was prepared to get behind it with funds is encouraging.

One of our most dedicated helpers originally contacted us via reading of our work in regional areas on OLO. There is a meeting this week with Tony Burke soon and it will be put on the table. However State by State with Federal Government support is required

I was going to tell you of the RSPCA QLDs Trainee Inspectors and the other programmes until of course ‘yet again’… disruptions.

At least you have a bird’s eye view of how these disruptions start thread by thread.

Belly, the QLD RSPCA CEO hasn’t made trainee jobs separate from anybody else doing the course. “What he has done is to include them.”!

This enables them to take control of their own affairs and also care for animals.

That is just one small part of our programme and it’s a step in the right direction.

These working are ‘extremely happy’ I can assure you.

Foxy. We do appreciate your interest in helping aboriginal people and I have noted Animals

There our passions as also We enjoy all of your comments and wish there were more like you.

Take Care foxy.

Dear Nicky,

Sorry, but you've got me completely wrong.

I'm certainly for the preservation of the Aboriginal
culture - if you'd re-read all of my posts you'd see
that quite clearly. You have to take what I said in
its correct context.

Dear CJ,

Thanks for understanding.

As always, it's greatly appreciated.

Dear Belly,

I know that you mean well, and that's appreciated as well.

Dear PALE&IF,

Thanks for understanding.

Belly,
I commend you for your perspective and commitment. Good on ya mate.
I have no problem with people who try to do something in good faith.
I also agree that self praise is no recommendation but stating what you have and/or continue to do puts what you say now in a fuller more meaningful context.

What I object to are those people who do nothing and simply criticise those who do.

It is one thing to speak from experience, knowledge and or reason (which you do) but it is another thing entirely to climb on a emotional hobby horse with out the benefit of any of the above attributes and bombastically assert some misguided (ideologically based solution). Which clearly our predecessors did. To admit this as citizens, say sorry and try to find an appropriate solution is only common sense.
As I said in other posts if you don’t want to help the people on their terms get out of the way of those who do. A few other posters would do well to ponder this.

I have some experience with working with aboriginals but not a lot. I do understand the cargo culture from my time in PNG.
I believe it has a lot to do with the systematic destruction the indigenous culture therefore identity within themselves and up to where they fit in the world.

Without this many have lost motivation and so too make the transition to being able to live in both worlds comfortably.

We can’t stuff the genii back into the bottle now but a different approach is needed.

The question is how do we reinstate their ‘self’?
The nth American Indian model? The NZ Maori model has more problems than GWB personally in Tehran. Any ideas