Belly
This was what I was referring to:

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=1174#21376

Maybe I mis-read it ...but it sounds like a no to me.

Cheers!

Fair cop Horus I said it!
My opinion evolved it appears, see the thread after Rudd said it.
No backing down, no way round it guilty as charged.
I have by the way not changed my mind about guilt money, we should fund every thing than can help but not that.
and today we must confront the fact accountability is a two way street.
And I do not wish to dig a hole and bury the past, have nothing but great respect for Foxy.
But this thread is no answer to the problem, I could construct a horror story about any invaders in any country, but we can not change the past, only the future.
Lets start with the Battle of Hastings 1066 are you aware of how badly the conquerer treated native Englishmen, another story but we can change nothing.
Yet we just must change today and tomorrow.

Foxy

Ok Will do. Just give me a few days and thanks.

Horus,
I see nothing wrong at all with Bellys position on Aboriginals.
An Apology was all some wanted. Others sadly saw it as a means to sue.

I can assure you unless people want to work learn and help themselves nothing will change. I am pretty sure thats what Belly was saying.
I dont think it was the right time to jump up and demand the date to be changed.It was a slap in the face and Kevins learnt a lesson by it. I must addmitt I was surprised by his leadership that day. He handled it well. Better than I suspected.

I have always been screaming we need to look after our own FIRST.

Some people have encouraged the aboriginal people to fight for their country back.- Hence those links I put up earlier.

I prefer to see them fight for themselves and their kids to keep their wonderful culture because in the hearts of 99% of Aussies we love these people.
This is today not a hundred years ago. Now there are some real projects on the table to fix this.

It will fix other problems also and keep Australia away from looking to China for food products.

Thats going to happen more and more if we dont fix the bush and regional areas up.

The counter argument is-

I have seen offers of people paying over 4 mill out of their own pockets to establish an ag school and universitys for them regected.

True

All very sad indeed.

Dear Belly,

What I was hoping to achieve with this thread was to remind
us - one year on from the apology - the remarkable history
of the First Australians, and to look to what can be
achieved in the future. Because as you rightly point out,
and with which I fully agree, it's the future that matters.

I know that PALE&IF has some great ideas - and I'm looking
forward in learning about some of them.

I also agree that people have to want to help themselves -
but how do we get them to do that when they don't believe
that they can. When the self-image that they have is
different from the one we have of ourselves, when they feel
that they are inferior - that's something that needs fixing
first I think.

Dear Foxy



Part One: Project Aboriginal Regional Area Joint project:

: The Minister for Aboriginal affairs Health, Regional projects, employment.+ others to 'combine' their aligated funding and commit to a joint project to develop infrastructure Schools, Hospitals ,Unis for Aboriginal and Regional people.
Training for electrical plumber building, nurses, Drs carpenters Agriculture Vetinary IT.

: Now we realise even to combine their funding that would not give the total funds required to complete this prodgect without further financial support.

: There for, it is important to note--that Each Premier in Australia is also an independent Minister of Trade for their state.


: This enables them to seeking investors from outside sources and international investors independent of the Federal Government Trade office Austrade MLA.

: There for working united with the recognised Muslim leaders of Australia we can negotiate with purchases of our Australian products- Cosmetics, Upholstery, Preservatives, Sources, Bush Tucker vegetables, Arts and crafts. Aboriginal Paintings, Aboriginal Artifax, Tourism

: Several years ago I put a proposal to AFIC to hold talks with Malaysia Government. The proposal was accepted by them but Australian officials are dragging the chain. If we don’t move soon we will miss out. Considering we are a major supplier this would be criminal.=

http://www.halaljournal.com/index2.php?page=article&act=show&d=2694

: Malaysia and other countries have expressed interest to invest in Australian companies and many other investors from other origins.
We need our State Premiers to act- and act now.=

: The 'only way' start to fix things for Aboriginal People is to establish a wide range of products and production manufacting that 'they' control, , operate under their 'own umbrella.

: They do require some assistance to establish those sorts of companies farms and projects..

: There for it is vital we have the cojoint investments throught Australia to give them that oportunity. Its also their right and their turn.

Foxy not much space left. Ask me any questions..

btw - the person Forrest mentioned we believe in OOP is AKA Dickie.( Just didnt want you to worry)

I understand Foxy, rest assured I no you never have anything but the best intentions.
I grieve for Aboriginals, I bought 5 children up, for a sibling, two wed Aboriginal girls.
I am uncle to their children and dozens of others.
Self praise is no recommendation but after starting life as not the best person, too much self interest, mid 20,s saw me switch on.
I try to mentor people, thats why I think I am in the right job.
Foxy I have seen whole family's arrive at work, years ago, just after the roadside pay car left, taking every cent a man had earned for two weeks work.
I see one survivor of 22 trainees on one site , each sacked worker got five final warnings, much more chances than I would get for you.
Foxy I understand it will take time, it will take effort but I know some from within this community, who are not educated think no Aboriginal should have to make the effort to better them selves.
What do I say to the great young man who has jumped every hurdle, climbed or made it past every obstacle and will one day be an Aboriginal superintendent?
We must not look to past sins for todays answers but we must not think only one side must work for a better future.
I had a job, casual but well paid for every one of those who failed not one took it up, we can do better.