CJ (and_SPIKEY...if ur_listening)

Here is a classic example of the problems of trying to call "Public Interest Information" rabble rousing..hate speech...Islamophobia etc.

Examine this chain of events..

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29483

1/ Christian evangelical criticizes Islam and Muslims."they're a comin to git us".

2/ His activity (handing out a pamphlet to the above effect) is reported to authorities and he is had up for 'hate speech'.

3/ He is convicted. (In this case I tend to agree with his conviction in part)

4/ His punishment includes 340hrs community service under the control of a Muslim! Mohammad Ashraf, general secretary of the Islamic Society of North America in Mississauga, Ont.

5/ Ashraf, according to Harding, said that instead of licking stamps and stuffing envelopes, "it would be better if you learned about Islam."

The cleric made it clear, Harding recalled in an interview with WorldNetDaily, that during the sessions nothing negative could be said about Islam or its prophet, Muhammad.

"He said he was my supervisor, and if I didn't follow what he said, he would send me back to jail," recounted Harding, who had been prevented from speaking publicly about his case under a gag order.

6/ During his 1998 session with Ashraf, Harding was told to read a book called Towards Understanding Islam, by Sayyid Abul A'la Maududi.

WHO? err..WHO? Maududi? gee..I've referred to him many times....have I not?

HE is the man who in his work on understanding the QURAN justifes CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE of prepubescent children in THIS paragraph from Tafheem Al Quran (referring to Surah 65:4)

<<*13 Therefore, making mention of the waiting-period for the girls who have not yet menstruated, clearly PROVES that it is not only PERMISSIBLE to give away the girl in marriage at this age but it is ALSO pemssible for the husband to CONSUMMATE marriage with her. Now, obviously no Muslim has the right to forbid a thing which the Qur'an has held as permissible.>>

So... when I say " 'Islam' teaches/permits old men to have intercourse with prepubescent children" I am 100% correct,right,and true.

That's different from saying "All_Muslims_today, everywhere_teach" that same thing.

Dear Meredith,

You said..."As for Islam ... it's a normal social POV for
many decent people... it's just a dislike of a belief..."

No. It's much more than that in the case you speak of.

Imagine if an Arab/Muslim went around communicating online that
kind of thing against Christians - they would get arrested.

Imagine then how a young Arab Australian feels reading all that
on the internet... Also, there are other people who would
read that sort of thing and be greatly influenced by it.
It does a great deal of damage. This kind of thing produces an increase in harassment, vilification and violence towards Australians of Arab appearance. It produces increasing hostility of the broader
community and reinforces this inter-community racism, rather than
challenging it.

I have Muslim friends who used to feel that they
were Australians, but now cannot identify themselves in all the
negative space being created for them in our community by people
such as the poster that you defend.

When people express strongly held opinions online, without any regard
as to whom it may offend, or what damage their remarks may cause to innocents reading this material.

When they continue with an entire series
of escalating messages filled with emotion-filled opinions, words
and upper-case letters, that constitutes much more than just a
"dislike of a belief."

It actually constitutes "flaming."
And "flaming" and "Flame Wars" are not appropriate for discussion
forums and should be banned.

Using upper case letters will definitely gain attention, but
usually of the negative kind. It comes across as shouting.

As Eva Sallis points out in her article, "Australians All,"
"If contemporary Australians are to live at ease with ourselves,
we need more education, less fear mongering, and, not least,
greater honesty about the culture of racism that is so damaging us."

Heya Foxy,

It's just as you say for Christians and Jews too. People ridicule Christians...freely express hate for the Jews on here, the current atheist string for example and no one bats an eyelid at the Christian ridicule, the strings asking Should the Jews leave Israel...Like that's just a bloody joke it's so horrible.. it is unbalanced and a double standard for only Muslims to claim to be hurt here.

Every belief and it's supporters will cop criticism... I can't help that Islam can't take critical comment...

I made the point I thought Boaz copped an over abundance of bullying compared to others. I don't mean to be rude here but I don't think you I or any of the others could handle it as well as he did for so long... He was reasonable before, very religious but very reasonable and polite.

Anyway, this is sad, no one gives a stuff or can even acknowledge that the bulling is bad even cuz it happened to Boaz... Somehow it is right cuz it happened to him. Not fair at all... Imagine Some other peoples hernias if they even felt a tad misinterpreted or bullied. already there's been a huge melodrama or 2 aside from this... just in this very string...

Total double standards... Total moral cowardice too. Hellobeques little circle, a grade 7 cat fight.

Col, I'm with you ruffians too..

Dear_Foxy

you_said:

"Imagine if an Arab/Muslim went around communicating online that
kind of thing against Christians - they would get arrested."

They do!_no arrests.

Perhaps you are oblivious to:

-Muslims in crowds at demonstrations overseas yelling for more Jews to be sent back to the ovens.

-Melbourne.. child (under_parental_guidance)holding up a sign calling for another bigger dose of "HITLER" (symbolized by the Swastika)

No such thing at the Pro Israel rally.. I was there..I observed!

Yet here.. you are saying that if a person persistently underlines the 'fact' (not the speculation, nor the misinterpretation) that Jews and Christians are vilified with hate speech of an extrordinary nature in the Quran and Hadith.... that they are somehow making the supporters of such views feel uncomfortable? I say 'supporters' on the assumption that Arab/Muslims believe in the Quran as it stands.

Hate speech... in published form includes the incitement to violence against an identifiable group/race/religion in Society.

If you can excuse "Allahs curse be on them (Jews_and_Christians)" and "fight those who do not believe in Allah etc (even if they are Jews and Christians)" as NOT being 'incitement' or hate speech..then I suggest you revisit schooling and particularly the Humanities dept about "English comprehension".

The *only* defense against this would be 'you are not interpreting these documents correctly' well that is quite arguable and I believe on the balance of probabilities (with total confidence) that my position would win that argument.

The Quran and Hadith *are* "hate speech" as defined by the Law. They DO advocate violence against Christians and Jews for reason of their beliefs.

The only thing stopping their banning would be politics...not the law.

Here is a test ..Ask your "Muslim friends"

-Do you accept that the Quran is the unchanging Word of Allah, applicable to today?
-Do you believe what it says in surah 9:29&30?

See..just see if they deny it to your face. (the truth is..many just don't have a clue about it.. so the need to KNOW what it says and RENOUNCE it!)

"Exposing incitement to violence" is not..."Incitement to violence" it is a social responsibility!

Too right Meridaf.

Now. Anyone interested in some Mohammed cartoons.

Dear Foxy,

“There are an informal "set" of rules for behaviour in computer bsed
conversations”. . .all examinator has been suggesting”

When I have stepped beyond the rules of the house, the host as sin-binned me.

I recall the most recent was for how I deployed the word “swill”.

So we are deleted for not following the “rules”.

Albeit, they are not “Rules” which Examinator is content with.

So, I suppose, it is just a matter of “Personal Growth” which Examinator has to go through to understand -

It is not all about him,

And remember, OLO is not a “democracy”, in the sense we elect the owners, although we are all free to “vote with our feet”

Personally,I might feel unjustly done by almost every time GY has bounced me but I remain happy to accept his judgment in a way I would never accept (say) Examinator and Bronwyns. arrogant and pompous pretense to judge and admonish me.
“Remember individuals are reading your posts and it is people ….””

I would hope so. Whilst my posts might not suit your expectations, what I write does suite mine but I think you should make it a general comment and suggest it to just about everyone else who posts here because

I respond to the way people post and comment on my posts

My post "reception" is one of my first considerations.

I recall the Sarah Palin thread, whilst I dealt with the issues, I caught a torrent of abuse for my efforts.

I keep chasing dickie for fraudulently claiming I told lies

When Q&A puts finger to key, he vilifies anyone who dares express an counter opinion on AGW to that he has decreed.

And CJMoron is beneath contempt

On this thread, Bronwyn took pains to include an attack on my respect for one of the most significant women of the 20th Century.

I courteously suggest

don’t try to advise me on my posts until

you have first advised everyone else to consider the reception of their posts too.


Meredith: Go Rabble



Houellebecq “Mohammed cartoons”

bring ‘em on