cont'd

I'll now go and drown my sorrows in a
few more glasses of wine... (I may
finish the bottle of red).

Cheers!

Bronwyn “you're constantly putting the boot in to alcoholics and binge-drinkers. “

Maybe you can show where I have put the “boot in” to alcoholics and binge drinkers gratuitously elsewhere (ie beyond a thread ascribed to that topic).

Until you can evidence such comments, I am at a loss to understand the reason behind your criticism, beyond, you simply trying to put the “boot in” me - re your last line

“I suggest it's a position of ignorance.”

As Examinator suggested

“YOU bought into this debate so no derogatary shots please.”

Examinator “Unfortunately you haven't read all my posts.”

No and I doubt you have not read all of mine either.

As I said previously, ““tough love” is a point arrived at after all attempts at “doing things in concert” have failed.”

“AA and Al Anon are good but don’t work for all.”

There is nothing which works for all, if there was, there would not be a problem in the first place. However, when people are raging out of control, the tactics and strategies of AA / Al Anon are a good place to look.

And the question then becomes “how much energy and resources should we spend trying to eradicate a problem which is clearly a demonstration in the principle of diminishing returns and take the step to punitive financial remedies and beyond that incarceration?"

Victorian State prisons devote a lot of effort to sorting out drug and alcohol addicts.

“Can I perhaps you view my posts more in a contextual frame than a line by line analysis.”

Most responses by most posters on most threads are going to be on a line by line approach, the holistic response is frustrated with the 350 word limit set by the OLO host.

Addressing bullet points remains a valid basis of response and is what I and most posters will continue to do, into the future.

Foxy, you are turning into a real Madonna (the pop-singer that is, not the catholic effigy).

Keep it up.

I do so appreciate bad girls.

Dear Col,

Me turning into Madonna?

I wish...

No, sadly, I'm more the Anne Hathaway
or Megan Gale type.(except for my mane of
red hair).

Anyway, Thanks for the compliment.

Col,
The important part of my comment about reading my posts was in answer to your challenge that I didn't understand the problem. In hind sight perhaps I could have just listed my experience.
BTW I haven't read all your but I would suggest I've read most since I’ve been on this site. I'm a prodigious reader.

You over interpreted Bronwyn’s comments she was responding to the binary nature of comments. You do tend to take a hard line (Black or white, anything else is rubbish) on issues and commenters. Specifically you seem to be clearly saying here that any substance abuse is SOLELY a matter of lack of personal control and never a victim.

Both Brony and I are saying that by definition and experience isn’t necessarily that cut and dried ACROSS THE BOARD.

Anyone who is in a negative situation beyond their control is POTENTIALLY a victim only specific details will determine THE conclusion i.e. medical proof of susceptibility to addiction. Prudence suggests with holding judgement until the specifics are known.

This in no way invalidates your personal issue and your suggestion of AA etc is a fair one. However, there are many more that aren’t helped by AA as are.

Likewise financial deterrents don’t work in cases of irrational behaviour. One can argue that in the house of an alcoholic a further financial impost of a fine is the LAST thing the family needs.

It’s not a matter of ‘sensitivities’ (something you have stated to me you don’t care about). On this site your opinion is not that of an esteemed consultant or boss simply one of many, common sense then dictates we all respond as such.

While I may consider my self as a reasonably knowledgeable person with a wider than normal experiences I am still dwarfed by others on the site but mine, yours, Brony's etc experience are still valuable input

Examinator “You over interpreted Bronwyn’s comments”

Regarding “put the boot in” and “position of ignorance”

Now, which part of did I “overinterpret”?

“Anyone who is in a negative situation beyond their control is POTENTIALLY a victim only specific details will determine”

So please explain when someone has drunk to excess,
How do their efforts qualify as “beyond their control”, bearing in mind, every alcoholic did not start out as an alcoholic, they had to exercise some personal effort over time to achieve that status.

“This in no way invalidates your personal issue”

AA not my “personal issue”, AA is an organization which does help a lot of people and you would be making a serious error to ignore their contribution

“Likewise financial deterrents don’t work in cases of irrational behaviour. One can argue that in the house of an alcoholic a further financial impost of a fine is the LAST thing the family needs.”

If all income is being committed to the purchase of alcohol, it is, in fact going to make no difference at all but it will bring forward the day of “hitting bottom” and that might actually be a better outcome than delaying the event.

“On this site your opinion is not that of an esteemed consultant or boss simply one of many, common sense then dictates we all respond as such.”

I never assumed otherwise but thanks for devoting some of your valuable time to condescend to tell me so. You have just reaffirmed something I have observed in most of your other posts (and it is not a particularly nice trait).

Col
A short note, Condescension isn't in my nature. I very never knowingly delve in to that and rarely into serious ad hominem. I WORK at eliminating any aggression from my posts. If it is there then it is unintentional.
I WAS TRYING TO HELP . I simply didn't know if you were aware of the general opinion or not. Your posts often seem to jump to combative conclusions.
It would appear that my writing style has problems.
All I can say is that if you interpret it that way, sorry.
I am the least likely person other than Foxy and PS to attack you….condescension to me is aggressive and unnecessary in this setting. Against my nature that would mean that I think I’m better than you I’m not and would never say/imply that. I disagree with some of what you say or even your approach the next step is too far..