Yabby
They may not know all about farming but we know they are right about the cruelty of live exports.
Of course that doesnt put viable alternatives on the table and thats what everyone should be working on.
No Prime Minister will Ban it without having the plants to process.
Now I think its time for some of the farmers to step up.
There not all broke.
There a big changes in the near furture involving some leading export companies.
Might be a smart move to start re thinking. We will do our bit but sticking heads in the sand wont make this go away.
Nor should it.

*That PALE likes or dislike/like my care for animals and disgust of Islam and how it's all added the mind(s) of PALE is meaningless to me.*

Pls post in a professional manner. You were caught out and you are angry. I understand that but ‘pls’ consider the animals. Bagging Muslims as is counter productive to Animal Welfare.

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Moving on

Muslim people are doing far more than our 'Christian' Leaders

It ‘is up to us s in Australia to help them.


We must address our Christian Church Leaders and Prime Minister Rudd.

Steve Feilding is a bad example of a Christian Leader imo.

Soon it will be revealed just what our Australian Muslim Leaders have been working on for years.

I am very proud of them especially considering many other problems they have had to work through.

We encourage everybody to write to all Church Leaders in Australia as well as our Prime Ministers

*“Merino sheep in particular, which are hardly common
in the UK, are particularly vulnerable to the Australian blowfly.”*

That’s is correct.

*Errr.... just to remind you Yabby that the contributions you refer to came from the taxpayers' pockets.*

Errr... just to remind you Dickie dear, that MLA spends around
3 million a year on animal welfare. Most of MLAs budget comes from
grower levies. That fact that the Fed Govt is now chipping in a bit
too, is good news, but does not change the underlying fact.

I have always maintained that if the Fed Govt can spend billions
on development aid, a tiny fraction of that should be available for
animal welfare in parts of the world that need it.

Ok, so you have nothing to contribute about mulesing, so are changing
the subject.

Interesting the double standards that apply here. When animal
welfare groups take money from anyone, that is excused, for they
need to pay their bills, as Nicky informs us. When farmers sell
their livestock on the open market, they are condemmed, as if they
don't have bills to pay, to survive in farming!

I remind you once again, that anyone can bid on these livestock and
slaughter them right here if they please. Farmers produce primary
products like wheat, barley, canola, oats, wool, livestock. Others
turn them into bread, beer, muesli, clothes, meat.

Fact is that due to our isolation here in the West and due to past
political follies, the WA livestock market lacks competition.
It is not unreasonable that WA farmers should expect to be paid
similar prices as NZ farmers, or ES farmers, for their produce.

As the evidence shows, that is simply not the case, WA farmers
are paid significantly less, due to a corrupt and isolated market.

The answer is of course fair and open competition in the WA market
place.

So buy those sheep and slaughter them here, if that is your problem.
Nobody is stopping you Dickie.

Funny that it is ok for animal liberation groups to see the need to
pay their bills, but its not ok for farmers to do the same.

Double standards indeed, from our OLO housewives club.

It's not worth bothering to address Yabby's claptrap which has been repeated ad nauseum - apart from MLA claiming to spend $3m on animal welfare. Perhaps Yabby can provide details on just what that $3m is specifically spent on. It is easy to put that amount into a fraudulent balance sheet (along with the taxpayers dollars that make it up). People who donate to animal advocacy groups do so by choice, and I object vigorously to MY taxes being spent to prop up cruel farmers and an evil, despicable trade. As for "savages" - in the material posted here, and plenty more ... "if the cap fits".

Furthermore, the key difference is that Muslims in Middle Eastern countries have no conception of "humane slaughter" (what an oxymoron that is!), and no regard for the terrible suffering they inflict on these animals before, and during their butchery. All in violation of their own faith.

PALE, you are hardly in a position to be advising anyone to post in a "professional manner". Your posts are a tragedy of paranoia, uncited material, misquotes, false claims, threats and abuse. And "bagging" Muslims is not what Meredith, Dickie, Bronwyn, or anyone else was doing. We are rightly critical of the brutality towards animals (and people) of which there is no shortage of evidence (most recently the "cleric" stating that it is perfectly fine for husbands to beat and rape their wives).

As to your reference to AAQ, they, like many other groups, quite rightly criticise the RSPCA where it has clearly failed to act in accordance with its statutory duty. You typically neglect to note the instances where they support the RSPCA. What seems to totally escape you is that they do not enter premises to provide material for the RSPCA to use in prosecutions, they do it to release it to the public in the expectation that the RSPCA will then continue that excellent work and carry out a proper investigation.

While the RSPCA endorses the establishments it does, and receive money from them, it will always be hopelessly compromised. Quite simple really.

Nicky

*I object vigorously to MY taxes being spent to prop up cruel farmers and an evil, despicable trade*

Err Nicky, I remind you that there are roughly 20 million in Australia,
so the Govt has to spend 20 million, before anything costs you
1$. Now given the piddley amount spent on animal welfare by the
Govt, your contribution would be about 10c. Would you like a refund
cheque? :)

I further remind you that we live in a democracy, so I was forced
to contribute, when Govts spent 120 million $ to bring the pope
to Australia. I accept the democratic process of our governing
system and remind you that there are about 160'000 farmers who
might just outvote you and your couple of friends.

*It's not worth bothering to address Yabby's claptrap*

Well of course not, especially in your case, where you don't have
any answers. So best to just gloss over the whole thing, shrug
your little shoulders and ignore those informed points of reason.

Perhaps you could just join Dickie and Bronwyn in the new housewives
thread and discuss how to keep your floors sparkling and clean :)

Yabby

Always Happy to join in your talks with the girls about MLA
You see Australian Beef Association Dont Agree with you and nor do we.=From ABA site( With Consent)

*ABA with signatures of *160 MLA members and levy paying livestock producers has proposed three controversial resolutions be put to members at the upcoming AGM.

Sensationally those resolutions call for a “Vote of no confidence” in the entire board and the removal of Chairman Don Heatley and Managing Director David Palmer from the board?

Below we quote Directly from the resolutions submitted by the Australian Beef Association. Broadly stated these are the issues at the heart on the ongoing tensions between ABA and MLA.

1. Lack of Accountability. Despite attempts over ten years and in 2002, eight Senate Select Committee recommendations for change to accountability, the Board has not corrected this lack of accountability.

2. NLIS Disaster. We were told by MLA that NLIS was required for us to have access to foreign markets. The USA and South America, with no NLIS, are accessing these markets and getting higher prices than Australia. MLA has refused to acknowledge our concerns at the seriously flawed implementation of the NLIS program and have refused to release the $80,000 study by Ernst Young into the NLIS poll rort by two MLA staff members (who were not dismissed).

3. Cattle Price - Promotion Failure. MLA had our levy raised by 40% in 2005, in a vote taken outside MLA’s Constitution. The Board claimed that it was needed to promote our beef. Since then, their misplaced domestic beef promotion has seen supermarket margins rise and producer prices fall. The non-appearance or contribution by MLA to the Beef section of the ACCC Grocery Inquiry confirmed the “sell out” of its members.

The board has refused to accept the resolutions with Chairman Don Heatley saying ” they are defamatory or fail to meet the legal requirements for a members’ resolution.”

We support these claims

TBC

This is off the RSPCA QLD web site. Note the focus is on the ship journey. Just like we warned about museling its very important not to only focus on the threatment at the other end.

Why because next thing they will FLY all the stock and claim massive improvements to Animal Welfare World wide. Do Not underestimate the these people and MLA who IMOP are pure evil.

Dickie as you have finally come out from the cupboard and addmitted connections to AA which you have denied in the past- I trust for Lyns sake you will be a very good girl on the forum. Try not say anything that might reflect upon her efforts. ( A long way to go yet.

LIVE EXPORTS RSPCA QLD

Raised by Australian farmers, these animals are transported long distances within Australia to holding yards or feedlots. From there, they are taken and loaded onto enormous ships with as many as 60,000 animals on one vessel.

Often packed so tightly that they cannot lie down, many animals are trampled to death, or starve if unable to reach feed troughs. At the very least, they face exposure to exhaustion, disease, excessive temperatures, humidity, hunger, thirst and suffocation.

Tens of thousands of Australian animals die every year on these journeys, while countless more suffer as a result of these conditions.

Once docked outside Australian territory, the Australian Animal Protection Legislation no longer applies to the animals.

Conditions and treatment can be so bad that in some cases unintentional mortalities after unloading are higher than during transportation.

Furthermore, the Australian government cannot ensure that the animals are slaughtered humanely, as there is no requirement at their destination to stun the animals to render them unconscious before being slaughtered.