Bronwyn,

Thought it bleeding Obvious
I in typed the wrong name while
addressing the three of you at once.

Unlike some this isn’t all I do.
I’m busy! Its also just as obvious
to have a problem with ANYONE
working to help animals you all
must have an agenda.





You have still been exposed as someone far from honest.

*Oh pale I am not involved in such things.*

Bronwyn why the porkpies. You heavily involved in it just reading a few of your comments on the Libbers thread.

As far as I am concerned thats a ‘good thing’- but you hid that in this particular thread=- all of you have why?.

Yabby dear, Thanks for the vote of er, confidence - whatever- It may surprise you that Gertrude was asked to supply Malaysia for Ramadan so your way off. Gertrude also gets a smile out of some of the libbers comments. So be assured when your grinning I am most probably am to.
HOWEVER thats why the laughs STOPS. They shouldnt have to do this with the farmers helping. That says a lot I am afraid.


Yes I am slack on the forum because I work 16 hours 7 days and this is "not" my main priority.

I have never 'ever done my own typing and TBO I hate it.!

I am forced to here because HKM is my personal baby supported by RSPCA QLD and others. With the ever lasting agenda to discredit both RSPCA and us the other office staff prefer NOT to.

However to say Gertrude cant spell is a bit much. Gertrude fyi ‘always topped ‘the classes in spelling and English ‘without study.

That was despite wagging most times to feed stray dogs. I felt it more important. STILL DO.
I’m really not in the mood- call me what you wish. Crazy - Look, I get it that you don’t understand everything I am saying but no I’m not crazy either.

God knows why with this bunch plotting to destroy our efforts.

"You have still been exposed as someone far from honest. *Oh pale I am not involved in such things.* Bronwyn why the porkpies. You heavily involved in it just reading a few of your comments on the Libbers thread. As far as I am concerned thats a ‘good thing’- but you hid that in this particular thread=- all of you have why?."

I'm not responding to you personally PALEIF, but I want it clearly on the record that I STRONGLY resent being told I'm not being honest.

As I've stated clearly before, I'm not involved in any animal welfare group. I'm not hiding anything and I have no agenda. I'm a mainstream member of the public who loves animals and, as a regular contributor to OLO, I sometimes get involved in the animal rights debates that go on here, just as I do in many other debates.

I don't even remember contributing to the 'Libbers thread' you referred to. But if I did, I did it in the same way I have here, that is as I've just outlined.

"*Oh pale I am not involved in such things.*"

These are not my words, so this shouldn't have been made to look like a ditrect quote as it has been.

PALEIF, I know you're busy. But that's no excuse for the sloppy quoting, misreading and misrepresenting of other posters that you habitually engage in. If you don't have the time to debate properly, I suggest you leave it to others.

Whenever I'm busy with work I let OLO slide for a while, as I'm sure do many others. That way, people's work doesn't suffer, nor does the standard of OLO debate.

Bronwyn,
Ok well if anybody is really interested I guess they can look up your very imformed comments where you see WE are doing this or going for that ETC.
Far be it for me to chase off a animal lover.
I have read your many comments on these threads talking with your friend P and others. May I say a simply well done to you and wish you all the best in your efforts to help animals.

Pale intends to move on now with the reasons why we 'must' address the Churches and the media control



Continued-

With Mark Scott, the ABC's new Managing Director, choosing to announce major changes to the ABC's editorial policies not to the public at large, nor even to ABC managers and journalists, but at a meeting of Gerard Henderson's right-wing lobby, The Sydney Institute, media policy should be a burning social justice issue for Christians.

In China, the Communist Party controls all media, including the Internet, because it knows media control is mind control. It wants its citizens to see the world through 'party eyes' only.

If Australians are only permitted to see the world through the eyes of exceedingly rich capitalists then we have to start asking whether we live in a democracy or a plutocracy.

No one elects Rupert Murdoch, James Packer and their likes, but clearly our elected representatives fawn upon them and frequently seem beholden to them too. And no one elects the board members of the ABC either, the government of the day appoints them - that, too, potentially permits a lot of mind control.

In his speech supporting the legislation, Fielding told parliament that those he represents didn't know anything about the proposed new media laws and, when informed by him about them, they didn't care either. 'Debates in Parliament about who owns what in the media simply don't feature in the day-to-day lives of the Australians we represent', he said.

Fielding put this lack of concern down to his constituents' preoccupation with their mortgages and their kid's schooling. But The Issues suspects it goes much deeper: that they are really concerned only with hallelujahs praising a diminished Christian God who, supposedly, is only concerned with such matters as private salvation, private prosperity and what goes on in other people's, homosexuals especially, bedrooms. There is no 'God's eye' view of the social good. This is not 'to have a go' at Pentecostals, increasingly the same is true of Anglican and other Christians too.

TBC

Nicky, I think that you have made your disdain for livestock farming
and livestock farmers, fairly bleeding clear on OLO. You even
have a problem with the word "livestock"

What amateurs like you and Dickie don't understand, is the role
that livestock play in an overall sustainable farming system,
in terms of rotations with crops.

Let me explain it this way. If farmers cultivate soil to kill
weeds, it exposes soil to being washed or blown away. If farmers
use herbicides to control weeds, they risk herbicide resistance
to the products they use. (its nature's way of responding)

Livestock eating weeds and fertilising soils as they do it,
is an extremely valuable tool in the whole farming equation.

Battery hens versus free range hens as an issue, has been around
for a long time, long before Peta or AA came along. Consumers have
a choice, they decide how they spend their money.

As to mulesing, Peta have done little but distort their own
credibility with misinformation. AWI has spent 23 million $ on
the problem and come up with nothing that is useful. Anyone
at any time, could have come up with Trisolfen, that is up to
chemists, not up to farmers. The point is, when it is offered
to farmers, as we can see by the figures, a great many will
use it voluntarily, as they are doing.

If Peta try to force farmers to stop mulesing altogether, the
net result will be far more animals suffering from death by
flystrike, a cruel death indeed. In other words, a group
claiming to want to protect animals, will have to wear it that
they are responsible for much animal cruelty. But at the moment
I'd say that they are too naiive to understand that.

What farming needs is for qualified and informed people to be
involved in solving problems, not a bunch of deluded American hippies.

Muelsing was a huge mistake by PETA, Yabby is right here, the pain on the arse is minor compared to the 3 or 4 day death from fly strike. I grew up on a farm with a bad farmer, I often saw sheep die like this. I also was privileged to often stay on a good farm (My grandpa's) where this just didn't happen. Back in the 70s even, when there were no animal rights or welfare my grandpa was very responsible a lot more so than is expected these days. His son has followed on with an similar attitude... I know from my own life experience some farmers are actually very good...It's an incredibly stressful life, and very hard work.

Also all those problems are nothing compared to being marinated in your own *hit and *iss in 45 degree heat for 6 weeks on a boat on ya way to the repugnant Ramadan...fight that, not muelsing