Belly “Noted Col Rouge but ignored.”

Strange to claim to note something, yet simultaneously ignore it!

Maybe, read and noted the content, ignored the message,

you are a “unionist”, that would explain, if not excuse it.

Same way a waiter might suggest rib-eye is best server rare and you choose “super well done”.

“if you read my post history am unlikely to support my side at any price.”

Well since we were talking about the correct use of English words, may I suggest a prozac before your next post?

“Long before my conversion to computers”

I never knew people could be “converted” to a machine. I often felt I had adopted their use, but was never “converted”.

My personal ‘adoption’ came from observation that computers extend the range and ease of many tasks, which would have been impractical before their availability.

In practical terms it is called “improving productivity” and is one of the hallmarks of the industrialization process, improving human productivity, in the same ways the spinning jenny did for generations past, such “productivity improvements” which have been repeatedly black-balled, attacked, criminally damaged and resisted at all costs by the vested interests of unions.

“The idea that unions stand over bosses while once true, of some unions, is no longer true.”

A “standover” which was not surrendered peacefully by the thugs and was only achieved because the previous federal government broke the unions immoral hold in many areas, recalling the builders laborers and different wharfies confrontations.

Incidents which reflected events in my youth in UK with communist coal miners deciding they were the sole arbiters for electing governments and doing their best to break the resolve of the conservatives – but finding more than their match in a petite and meticulously coiffured lady who stood the course and was not for turning,

Regarding the detritus of you working week, not sure if you are big-noting yourself or simply trying to bore us into submission….

Anyway I see our resident Moron is dribbling on about something, not sure what it is, as usual, all too obtuse.

Col Rouge I was trying to show the day to day life of a unionist is not industrial warfare.
I have a secrete I want to share with you, I have nothing in common with you.
While you carry on trying to show how much better than most of us you are I really do not care.
I do not like snobs.
I measure my self by what those I work for think of me, ordinary workers.
As I said up the thread acts like this wage demand give people like you ammo to throw at the whole movement.
For that reason alone it is wrong.
Future unionists, after I am dust, will understand you do not have to be extreme, that uniformity state to state city to city is a must.
And that workplace justice need not be warfare.
We can not bank on a return to near full employment soon, it may get much worse but we can Bank on a return to fairness under Rudd's reforms
Looking forward to his next two election victory's.

Belly “I have a secrete I want to share with you, I have nothing in common with you.
While you carry on trying to show how much better than most of us you are I really do not care.”

I do not consider myself better than anyone else, that is just your insecurities showing and we are all “uncommon” individuals.
“I do not like snobs.”
Nor do I,

something else we do not have in common

I do not presume to sit in judgment over others.

“I measure my self by what those I work for think of me, ordinary workers.”

I measure myself by who pay for my services and friends who love me..

“that uniformity state to state city to city is a must.”

I am one for individuality.

“Uniformity” (like ‘equality’) is a pointless goal which consumes the limited thinking resources of the wooly minded.

“And that workplace justice need not be warfare.”

It was the unions who made it warfare

“We can not bank on a return to near full employment soon, it may get much worse”

That is a certainty

“but we can Bank on a return to fairness under Rudd's reforms”

And pigs might fly

“Looking forward to his next two election victory's.”

Whilst, I that is always a possibility I do not think it is a probability,

To be honest, it depends on how far KRudd & Co drives the economy into the dust.

Australia’s present resilience to international problems is the product of the previous coalition government wisdom and not a product of current labor’s ineptitude and if the dipsticks carry on and introduce a carbon tax, well it will be the kiss of death.

People vote for home and family first. It is only in times of plenty do they think beyond their front door and the coalition brought forth the plenty (which Labor have always been too thick and too obsessed with “social justice” to produce).

And that is what will drive the next election.

Col Rouge I wonder why I bother, but I want you to consider this.
Can you truly believe all the bad in IR is on the union side?
That no boss is ever wrong?
Tell me again how in the middle of the now past mad profits in shares , land housing, why so very many signed deals that gave no wage increases for five years.
Or justify imported workers paid so very little and charged so very much for such very bad accommodation.
You lay blame on Rudd, apparently for the world economic crisis? surely you are aware the polls do not agree?
Can it have escaped you that I from the trade union movement have highlighted my belief again and again radicalism is wrong?
I am not one who thinks capitalism is dead, some form of it appears the only future for the world economy, but you again and again highlight those who pay you for your services.
Can you truly think workers have less rights to fair wages than you?
Do you not see unions, like you, provide a service to people who need it?
Col my view of you is unlikely to be of concern to you , years of reading your squabbles with posters seem to point to a self centered person.

re[importing]of labour[is this because of low wages or special/lacking skills

[in israel they import arabs/jews from other nations to do thier'work'..that low wages appear to be paid to those from the mid east[semites]while the bosses are mostly from the far north[talmudic'settler'jews]

the semite worker jews are kept in their seger-gated settler communities[ko-butzes]#and the ruling israelites run govt,we have much the same them/us divisions here

the thing is god made to rise one dust from the waters of the deep[god didnt make those names of different countries/peoples..[we did]

[see that all people/land is holy..[all gods/people are semite,hating anyone based on their belief/station[skill/racial origen is antisemitism]

god didnt make..'blue collor'or any other colar'nation'we did,i understand there is division based on our education/skill levels[is]something,we are'blue-collar'[but not if our father is blue/blood]..a totally illogical sepperation dividing us into sheep or goat..[when god only gave life-skills]ooops new-topic

telling a goat from a sheep is simple,..but as for the specialised naming of the types of goat or sheep or semites from the israelite[or any of the 12 tribes that wandered in the desert..[of which israel was only one][do not the other 11 tribes deserve their own homeland too?[does god really say only israel here and you 11 arnt my people?

wernt the levites the priest class[how did the israel-ites become the priest'class'?these settlers seem to be racists,racis-ites wernt mentioned in the bible as i recall[but im getting old forgetting soo much[thanks to the poisens in our food air and water]

[i dont recall the settler-ites?in the bible,but then the issue is so confusing,god had one people right..[made up of 12 tribes?israel was one of them 12 right?..how come one claims the whole holy..[unholy ground?[one upper-class]

how come one war class that does the fighting has claimed the WHOLE holy land?dont israel fight for the rest of god people[the other 11?

how did 12 tribes come to unite under one trible name?[or bosses deserve govt service and the worker none].....blue-blood/workers god wants each to have a fair go

Belly “Do you not see unions, like you, provide a service to people who need it?”

I have no problem with people freely subscribing any form of association of their choice. One of the hallmarks of a democratic society is the free right of association.

I currently belong to two associations. I freely choose to continue my memberships. Other organisations I have joined and left as it suited me.

So I have no problem with people joining unions, as they see fit.

I do have a very serious problem when people are forced by a third party or statute (eg student unions) to join a particular union or membership organization against their will or personal preference.

“Col my view of you is unlikely to be of concern to you, years of reading your squabbles with posters seem to point to a self centered person.”

You are right, your personal view of me is a matter of complete irrelevance to me, as I am sure, my opinion of you is a matter of your personal indifference and so it likely should be

However, I am not so self-centred as to feel any need to express my personal opinion or assessment to any character shortcomings I might feel you display.