STEVEN
any word is holy
man ALONE makes words [your using gods proof when you have logic[logus means logic]get it

your using the proofs of our divergence from animals everyday[you just dont see the letters make up a complete sentance called god[logic]light sustaining life

see bro how its all about what we believe
i dont believe holy books i read em,
[my advantage is i know the voice of my master [god]

i see HIS proof much like you see and know a work by mozzart[or shaking spear] or remberant

the holy texts reveal god HAS GRACE/LOVE
i see even in the most vile beast a love for their own[this 'love' is my proof

god is living live time all the time
when a holy text says god breathed life into clay [science rev eals that is just what we are [ashes to ashes dust to dust]

science cant explain life[but gods living breath is in all life]
i see life living its foibles and i see god

when you live [i see god living]
when you love i see god loving
when i see logic i see god

love god means loving neighbour
that we did to the least we did to god
but we have life god alone could give
we serve either the lifegiver[god]
or the life taker

yet any life 'taken' takes it from god himself
look i can post now i think at the other conversation

keep giving me logic and i will keep seeing more proof god is in you too[believing god is in israel killing araBS[SEMITES] MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE [BUT ITS TRUE] god lives in our hearts

even if a scientist proved it those who 'war on god' serve satan[sworn to kill all life]currently israel[means wars with god [life] is more important to respond to

so will be back soon[i could use some help
[but then god needs no one
it is we need god] just to live

cheers

seems i still got an hour to go
you ask for proof[feel logic inside your own heart bro]
revelation 21 the first few lines say it all

the quran reveals god has sent many messengers[each generation has its many messiahs [peacemakers] each messenger caused his message to be writen down[mosus had tenb revelations that soon 'evolved' into two law books[not laws of god but laws of men

like the diet foods excluded in the old testiment are a wise thing but they arnt gods law [jesus said it is not what a man 'puts in' to his mouthy that makes him unclean but that which comes out of our mouths

sdee that the fables in the new test-i-meant reveal much about faulty belief[like he said ye unbelieving nation[re needing miracles]
yet his own blaspheme jesus by thinking he makes miracles

but looking at them through judean eyes you see that without they masterialistic faith in rituals many xtian 'beliefs are without grounds'' see thaty a jew wont eat without washing ritual[recall the first miracle wine from hand wash jars[jesus clearly says its NOT YET MY TIME[the baptiser/the light revealer yet lived]

but see that the ritual of hand washing didnt allow the judeans to eat[their belief would rather they starve[but his deciples didnt see it] so he doid it again[how can so many get all they willed [if they didnt 'will' to eat with dirty hands

yet there is much wisdom[but we need to filter out the /belief'
same with our belief in evolution, its the same thing]weak belief creates fanatics[we are seeing it live time in gaza]
but i cant post to end it[too may facts to correct in too little time]yet i gotta try

Dear David,

You appear to be under the spell of atheism. But seriously, I think that it isn't a pure atheism as it seems to have strains of religion of the Calvinist and Lutheran kind by way of the cliches and begging the question type assumptions and statements of feigned exasperation and annoyance you seem to be suffering under.
Inquisitions had rules of law despite some misususes and abuses. Inquisitions of a secular kind exist today where new onus of proof requirements presume guilt. Slavery continues on in parts of Africa and the Middle East whereas the Church never accepted it. Where slavery was already part of the pagan system at least St Paul basically said that all persons are equal under God and all persons have inherent dignity. The Church couldn;t change the existing slavery system overnight like making a cup of instant coffee.
Crusades largely failed but were good in themselves for attempting to protect the Christian Holy Places in the Holy Land. Church doesn't support solely monarchies but was humanely used to and comfrtable with what they knew however, the only remaining and true monarchy is the hierarchy of truths of Faith and the teaching on the Social Reign ( Kingship of Christ). Slavery exists through both the ALP and the Coalition allowing the big banks to keep people as mortgage slaves and credit card slaves to consumerism right now.
'indoctrination' is not a bad word. It simply means to incalcate true teaching and one must know that only one religion can be true, not the many and certainly not none at all as is your unproven supposition Dave.

Dear Romany,

I couldn't agree more. Well said.

I agree that the so-called 'Dark Ages' as a term is misleading. Catholics of the traditional kind have always said this in opposition to atheists( usually using the same texts or coming from a sub-consciously Calvinist background). The Dark Ages were times of hardship because of war and plagues and diseases however, they were an age of great learning and consolidfation of sacred texts by the monasteries which Calvinists and the Protestant De-formation ( not reformation) set about destroying throughout Europe and the the UK.
The only 'historians' who would never give up on the perjorative use of the term 'Dark Ages' are angry atheists and anti-Catholic Calvinists and Lutherans through their 500 year tradition of deep level historical revisionism.
The next age of the Middle Ages and 'medieval' are also terms used perjoratively by anti Catholics eg when making silly trite pseudo intellectual commentaries on SBS and ABC about say Islam not yet experiencing a 'Reformation' or of Islam being stuck in 'medievalism'. Quite a misuse of terms because of the secular disdain,arrogance and hostility to a once Catholic Europe and a mistaken prejudice that to be a Catholic in 'medieval times' was something most horrible and unclean ( which of course it was not).

Webby: << You appear to be under the spell of atheism. >>

Now that's truly funny.

my favourite was the bit about how the crusades were such a great idea.