steven;quote:>>LOL OUG

The bottom line from your last two posts is this:

You have no evidence whatsoever that any of your so-called "holy" books or recitations are the "word of God" – assuming that "God" exists.>>

great we are both laughing
mate there is no proof in dead books

god lives live time all the time

the eternal living/loving one [god] cant be captured in the spell of words[even in holy texts]you see god is live time [living right now]

IM not about to say he is in this book or that book[because he isnt]

god lives in our hearts [i know that makes you laugh] one day you will see he lives in all our hearts[our living hearts in real time] without god sustaining us to live there is no life

see my br-other god is inside tou too [i can read you like a book, but you arnt a book

[a living god lives only in the life he sustains

you may never get that [but by loving neighbour you are loving god] by killing neighbour ,you are killing only that life god sustains to live

,but you cant see that [and any attempt to explain it to you is futile [what guilt do you hold that makes you fear love so much?]

god sees no guilt
god casts no blame
god sustains us our lives [that is it]

there is none so blind as those who refuse to see
but it is us who chose to close our eyes and ears

how can i explain life to one dead inside

how can i explain god to one who fears love

we all dont smell so good at times
[but dont you think our living loving light/life/;creator knows that?

CJ Morgan, bushbasher, Bugsy, AdamD, stevenimeyer,
Regardless of where you stand, it sure looks like Dave is seeking your approval by addressing you all.( I'm only addressing you to solely make that point and not to suck up to you like Dave ...LOL).

Then if we look at David's conclusion, he merely asserts victory for his points of view. Oh duur Dave, we all can do that.

Back to the Inquisition mate. One quarter of the European polualtion wiped out by it. Looks like you've been reading those hardline Calvinist revised edition histories again in which during the first 150 years fromt he time of William Cecil and Cronwell and the other puritans( feared byt he moderate Anglicans-recently created at that time) were engaged in polemics via revised histories to demonise Spain. You are not a pure atheist David but one who is culturally Protestant of the fundamentalist four point sola fide, sola scripture, sola gratia ( forgot the other one).
You theatrics of dismissal aimed at me here I treat like water off a duck's back. It is all an act on your part with traces of snobbery displayed like all 'good' liberals and libertines.

Webby,

“Back to the Inquisition mate. One quarter of the European polualtion wiped out by it. ”

My, you are in a greater panic than I thought! Maybe you can quote where I said that.

David

Would you say that Dave's approval seeking was
a) like the purring of an overfed cat
or
b) not like making a pizza?

Dear David, my apologies mate. Nothing intentional. I was quickly reading your post and now realise your were talking about the Crusades. No panic involved; just me rushing. Sorry mate.
But if you look to the rest of my post....much there for you to focus on.
As for the Crusades, they were a filure for the most part but came from good intentions. Sadly, many of the yobbos who joined in did commit war crimes. But the Crusades in themselves were legitimate and were an attempt to protect and to take back the places holy to Christians in the Holy Land.

Regular posters will know I've got very little patience for organised religion, particularly the "my brand of god is better than yours" spats, but when I consider the opening quote of this thread a little further, I can't quite agree with it.

When I first heard it, I agreed heartily:

"With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil — that takes religion."

But on further consideration, I couldn't help but acknowledge many political movements that based their arguments on faith in a set of principles, which ultimately ended up doing evil.
Consider Stalinism - the faith in socialism, be it devoid of religion, led many to adopt his teachings heartily, before rounding up non-believers to send them to the gulag.
Sure, most would have done so out of fear, but he would have had his true believers.

The key point here, is that it's uncritical, unquestioning 'faith' that leads good men to do evil things.

Something that religion tends to have in spades.