His holiness wrote: "I'm saying 'dont' consider race in your social and economic interaction and I'm racist for this ?"

No, what you're saying(and don't realise it) is that you're the only one who can declare when racism is at play - without ever having to admit your whiteness is factored into this interaction.

This is what white privlidge is, an ability to stand in the centre but not declare this central position as privlidged, to declare without fear questioning who the "other" is.

He knows he's denying this which makes his racism so toxic.

He lives with a family of non-whites who he has yet to completely understand his own 'othering' of them. They are part of racist constructions about himself.

The so called "His-panics" run across the mountain borders of New Mexico, Arizona, California and Texas, to the Hillsong tune of "the Hymns are alive, with the sound of music?" Boozy reaches for more Benedictine: more ranting, more prejudice.

I have lived in Texas and spent time near the border. The Mexicans or as rednecks like Boaz call them: "Mescans", are usually devout Catholics. I think they spend hours praying for a better life even more than he does.

The answer is not to just build a wall similar to the Berlin wall. The pathway to fairness is to assist in the rebuilding of countries like Mexico. Encourage them having higher minimum wages and following the standards seriously. That means raise their standards of work conditions within their own countries. With strategy and planning, they can do it. These should not be poor countries. Mexico still has plenty of gold, silver, and as many natural resources as Australia does. It has a high population, but so does Japan.

Latino's, or "Hispanics" or whatever, are also speaking more and more English. You say that the US will one day speak Spanish? The opposite is true. Tourism is one of Central America's booming industries and more people are expected to speak English in Central and Southern American countries.

Besides, the US stole Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California in the war of Guadalupe around 1811 (?) anyway. This was 2 years before the US Gold rush in the Wild West.

What a coincidence! Do you think they knew there was gold in them hills? Hillsong indeed!

Without immigrants in the US, their economy would be stuffed. BTW, the southern states are not "yankies", you forgot about their civil war. Imagine the US without immigrants. This music videos shows how they need them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWbyi8Oty2Q

You talk about morals, fairness and Christian goodness? Mexico was never compensated for so much stolen land. You defend greed and only offer an American apartheit as a solution. Typical! You know very little about this region. I doubt you've ever been there.

Fletch...
lets look at a very simple point here :) from a web site devoted to the advancement of Hispanic/Latino/Mexican interests in the re-claiming of lost territory.

http://www.houstonculture.org/hispanic/conquest2.html

"The United States conducted an extended campaign of territorial acquisition against its southern neighbors in three premeditated and ruthless military operations -- the expropriation of Florida from Spain in 1819"

Now.. the KEY word in that is "Spain". It was not 'Mexico' which lost territory it was SPAIN.... the territory held by Spain was obtained in EXACTLY the same way they claim the Yankees took it from them. i.e. Pot calling Kettle black.

It is impossible to find a 'good guy' in all of that and I would be the last to say that the USA was such.

My view on all this is pretty simple.

-What is happening now ?
-On what basis is it happening ?
-What type of response is needed ?

Given that the real reason in the minds of the Mexican illegal immigrants is to 'reclaim territory' (if they are honest) it should be treated as such by the USA. Unfortunately, the Democrats rely too much on this segmented vote and will ultimately bring about this territorial re-claimation by stealth. In my view they are traitors to the interests of USA, but that is a relative term I know :) They are hero's to the Latino's.

The 'purification' of the Latino motives "They are just hard working people looking to better themselves and provide for their families"
is a joke. Sure.. they might be thinking that 'today' until their tummies are full, but full tummies tend to 'expand' their thinking to other issues such as 'historical injustices' etc...

No need to bring in the 'Christian' aspect to this discussion, because we are tossing around the concept of 'societies in competition'.

If we take the Christian principle "Do for others" etc.. to whom do we apply it ?
-Rectify former historic sins .. of the Spanish ? the Yankees ? who ?

You are wrong again Boaz. Mexico was already an Independent Republic and had the famous war of Independence from Spain on September 15, 1810.

You can thank Father Hidalgo, a Catholic Priest for the famous Mexican cry "Viva Mexico".

"He rang the church bell on the night of September 15, 1810 to call his congregation to the church for a mass. When all the people arrived to church, Father Hidalgo rallied the people to fight. He gave the speech that is now called Grito de Delores. He said "Viva Mexico" and "Viva la independencia!" These famous words he said have been remembered and are said each year at the Independence Day celebrations."

http://teacherlink.ed.usu.edu/TLresources/units/Byrnes-celebrations/mid.html

Mexico, including the Comanche Indian cultures in "Texas", which is Comanche for "friend", was part of this liberation.

Before Andrew Stonewall Jackson could declare Texas a slave Republic, he had to out manouver both Spain and Mexico.

That was 9 years before the the Adams-Onís Florida Treaty of 1819.

He was no friend to the US some years later leading the Confederacy against the "damn Yankies" in the North north of Dixieland that questioned slavery. He would shoot you, Boaz, if you foolishly called him a Yankie.

The Florida / Cuba Adams-Onís Treaty of 1819 traded US, claim to Florida against any claim to Texas or Cuba. Of course the US was cleaver and a serious of quasi-independent Republican movements broke up the Mexican Republic.

California, New Mexico and Texas joined the Mexican Republic in 1821 liberated from Spain, backed by the US, then later broke away as quasi independent Republics.

As planned, they later joined the US avoiding the Adams-Onís Florida Treaty of 1819 with Spain.

There is no conspiracy or retribution today of Mexicans wanting to take over the US. "Viva Mexico" was about liberation more than nationalism and that is something you refuse to understand.

They just want to be free and survive.

Call me a "nigger lover" but the rest is your conspiracy theory defending the Andrew Jackson's Confederacy.

You funny boy :) well at least you are making good use of Google, more than I did in terms of detail.

My major point though is that the history of the place was waxing and waning. You can't point to any of them as 'good guy' and the rest as 'bad guy' they all had their black spots.. maybe Jacksons was the slave issue.. maybe he did not even consider slavery in his desire to be free from the Spanish/Mexican corrupt land owner funded tryant-ocracy ?

Now.. be aware :) I am fresh from speaking with a Mexican Indian here in Melbourne, and I'd take his word over yours :)
I agree that most Mexicans would 'initially' have a 'find a new life, better pay to support their families' approach, but there are also those pesky 'radicals' who are prepared to make good use of history for their ethno-political agenda. Never never forget the sneaky work of marxists in all of these things. Did you see the protest footage in Tonga ? The posters of CHE GUIVERA !.... Those damn communists always try to cause disruption and anarchy because they believe doctrinally in chaos being the first step in social renewal in terms of the dialectic of history.

The anarchists in the G20 protest may have been much further left than the Socialist Alliance. They certainly knew how to hijack the thing and make it appear to the world that 'thousands of protestors' were against the g20. (wait till the next big demo, I have a clever idea to hijack it myself.. peacefully)

But Fletch..even if I'm totally wrong on the 'conspiracy' theory, I would not be wrong in the demographic basis for political change.
Ultimately, the increasing Latino population will want a bigger 'Latino' voice ! its common sense and its history.