Gawd. You can always tell when Boazy's been to a prayer meeting.

Praise the lord and pass the bottle!

Incidentally, since when did "Hispanics" constitute a "race"?

Two of my favouite hymns'

1. What a friend we have in Jesus -:

"What a friend we have in Jesus all our sins and griefs to bear
What a privilege to carry everything to God in prayer.

Have we trials and tribulations are there troubles everywhere,
we should never be discouraged take it to the lord in prayer"

2.One day at a Time-:

"One day at a time sweet Jesus. That's all I'm asking from you.
Just give me the strength to do every day what I have to do.
Yesterday's gone, sweet Jesus and tomorrow may never be mine.
Lord help me today show me the way one day at a time.

Do you remember when you walked among men? Well Jesus you know if you're looking below; it's worse now than then. Pushing and shoving and crowding my mind, so for my sake teach me to take one day at a time."

C.J. I'm sure you can glean my reference to a dangerous social trend without needing to be so pedantic as to point out the obvious.

No.. Prayer meeting is today :) well.. worship.

Sharkfin... there is a simple wonderment in those old Hymns. I sometimes watch some singing on Foxtel ACC showing some Southern Baptist church and the glow on their faces as they truly praise God is heartwarming.

There is something uniquely special about genuine Christian fellowship. Its impossible to explain it in normal words. Its not found in every 'church' but more so on the cutting edge of evangelism.
To say its like heaven on earth is not an exaggeration. I almost don't like sharing it because people might be attracted for the wrong reasons :)

That aside, human conflict usually arises out of competition and greed, and this divides along racial/cultural lines. (see Acts 6:1) Politics also follows these lines. It especially follows such lines where competing groups have similar population levels. Just imagine a US state where the majority of the population is Hispanic ?
I mean.. if it were Mexico no drama, but the US would experience pressure for legislative change to reflect the new demographic reality. The question is, how might this effect the Anglo European Americans already in that state ? How would it effect the allocation of resources such as contracts etc. ? Not un-noticably I suggest.

One of the worst socio/ethnic reactions to arise is 'Our Turn'ism. Where a group which perceived itself to have been marginalized then seeks to 'stick it to' the group they felt marginalized them.

I'm more concerned that the demographics could see Democrats enshrined in power. I don't feel they have the guts to take on Radical Islam. (which has declared it will not stop until the Whitehouse is destroyed)

Democrats: "will send strongly worded letter of dissapproval to enemies and Slash and Burn the CIA"

Republicans: "PNAC, Iraq, Cruise Missiles, Covert CIA operations etc"

Kingdom of God: "those of Caesars household send greetings" :)

the death of fundamentalist christianity and other fundo's is fine by me..

The radical right wing in the US killed more of us soldiers (in the name of god and country) than any radical non-christain group.

is this what you are fearful of boaz, that those right wing christians in the us have lost their power?

Rainier, I think you may be on to something there :)

In fact, I think that this be the very "dangerous social trend" that underlies our resident crusader's campaign, as expressed in his prolific and often rather intemperate contributions to this forum. Heaven forfend that the "right wing christians" lose their current political ascendancy in the Australian electorate too!

Of course, this will indeed happen, as sure as night follows day. When our current bunch of neocon christian toadies are finally sent packing (hopefully at the next Federal election) this will undoubtedly be regarded negatively by those few Australians who share Boaz's bigoted views.

I look forward to reading a piece penned by Boaz sometime in the relatively near future, entitled "The Day Australia Died...."

Christians...and "power" are incompatible terms.

"If anyone among you would be first, let him be last and become servant of all". (Jesus)

Its not 'Christian power' that is at stake. How in the world do you (C.J. and Ranier) connect a discussion about mass floods of illegal immigration to right wing power ? and 'Christian' power at that ?

I think you guys biases are coming through.

At issue is a sociological situation. Demographics.. political power yes..but not "Christian" per se.

Democrats, as I've shown above, have policies which are designed to bolster their own power via the Hispanic vote. It is in their political interests to open things up making it easier for more 'voters' to enter the system.

So, far from your cheap and glib lack of energy "its about fundy power" assessment, its about social changes which could change the whole face of America culturally.

Now.. as I intimated Ranier. I can understand you not having much sympathy for the 'White Anglo/European' culture which emerged in the USA along with its considerable African American component, but looking at it all in purely sociological terms, there are serious causes for worry. Particularly between the Hispanic and African American communities who will both be competing for the lower end of the employment market.

I'm more concerned that Democrats will sacrifice social cohesian and cultural integrity on the alter of political expediency.
If this is not a concern to you C.J. then I wonder about your social concern credentials.

The outcome of the recent election in the USA shows that democracy is alive and well WITHOUT 13 million (currently illegal) extra Democrat voters or the 70% of Mexican population who wish to migrate to the USA.