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rights and wrongs of entry

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Break in? do you truly think unions break in?
If true? is my story true? to lie to prove a point would only prove me worthless.
Tell you a few things, as I walk into lunch sheds, to talk to union members every week.
I always say a few things the same way, one is tell me what you really think, not what you think I want to hear, only the honest truth has value.
This will get me in trouble, but only the depth varies I am always in trouble,
I despise EXTREMISM, RADICALISM, and lies told to unionists by SOME unions who fit that description.
Have a look next Saturday at the fathers and mothers of the kids at soccer or any sport.
Watch the family's on the beach on Sunday, try to pick the union members out.
You will not be able to do it.
Only in the heads of the very few do comrades exists, brovers are few.
But my members have only one head, carry no guns, are my mates,and if I give them the respect they deserve ALWAYS, will repay me many times.
Unions there is a difference.
The future is not assured for some but you can bet some lead by youth with great promise are here to stay.
And while this old bloke knew a far different past in the movement attempts to isolate all unions from our members has failed.
Can you think in wider terms? do you know just one boss who needs watching?
The thing I love most about unions is they, the good ones, care for those unable to look after themselves.
Yes many can look after themselves but who looks after those who can not?
The thread is about one issue.
Why can you not see it was never intended unions break and enter?
Posted by Belly, Monday, 8 December 2008 4:39:46 AM
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Belly,

I believe you that you are a good guy.
You help your friends and do the right thing as union-leaders are supposed to do. I believe you that you will never abuse your position.

My question to you is what controls are there to prevent the new law from opening the flood-gates to criminal elements who call themselves "unionists", but are not as good-intentioned as yourself, holding a union-card, either of an existing union or a new union that they form for this purpose, giving them powers over the community that even police does not have?

The body that is supposed to stop crime is the police. If they are not doing their job well, then the police must be strengthened and shaken up.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 8 December 2008 8:55:42 AM
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Dear Belly,
I say it again, we are all corrupt if the price is right.
Jesus left 2 very clear instructions.
1 Put God first place in our life.
2 Love one another.
So simple but the hardest thing to put into practice.
When we buy a machine we get the makers instructions on how to use the machine. All denominations were started by sincere men to expand the Kingdom of God and as time passed men replaces Gods agenda with their own kingdom building. Paul and the church of Rome. Martin Luther and the lutherin Church, John Wesley and the methodists, Booth and the salvation army, the church of Ephesus ,the church of Pergamos, the church of Thyatira,and the church of Sardis. Just a few congregations that started out to build a heavenly kingdom and lost their focus and have gone on to build large earthly kingdoms, Some devoted to wealth and power others devoted to good works but ignoring the first instruction, most good people individualy But ALL sinners in need of a saviour. So Belly if the church of believers loses sight of the target and does not practice what we preach how in the hell do we ever expect the world to want what we have.
Simply put without the makers instructions what we end up with is a poor substitute for abundant living. One of my favourite verses is proverbs 1-20 wisdom cries out in the streets. If God has used a donkey in the past to bring his word surely he can use a man as a vessel. After all it is only words spoken with faith or out of fear and lack. Which seem to be predominant at the moment.
Posted by Richie 10, Monday, 8 December 2008 11:46:26 AM
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Lets leave Richie ten till last, in answer to your questions.
Unions still have to notify a visit 24 hours in advance , giving the reasons for the visit.
Criminals find other ways to thieve more than unlikely any one would impersonate a union official for the purpose of crime.
Now do not get me wrong, some thankfully not any one I know do impersonate union officials, unfortunately getting paid for it.
Fact is , many will not like me saying it, unions are on the brink of great changes.
These new IR laws are balanced finely, not every thing I wanted , or some bosses want.
Good unions always face such challenges and do well.
If I could live for 20 more years, unlikely, I Know what I would see.
Moderate unions will have grown to be the biggest and by far the best.
Radical will have shrunk or learned to follow members not lead them.
I have no fears of unions dieing, we will always have a place in most workplaces.
Richie mate, be content that I am bound for hell, and without fear.
I see great rules to live by in every religion, as an ex Christian I understand some truly good people share your dream.
I want to handle my own baggage, try to never hurt any one unless I must, know it is better to give than receive.
But freind for me all Gods are made by man, proof of the goodness in some men but inventions never the less.
I want to be involved in every minute of life not place my life in the hands of your dream.
regards
Posted by Belly, Monday, 8 December 2008 5:17:16 PM
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Dear belly,
You have been weighing heavily on my heart for days. Your outlook on life is the same as my father. Am presently reading a book called Gods big idea in which the author expands on ideas. Death doesn't kill them. Every thing we know and have and believe is the result of an idea. Ideologies live on no matter what we think to become philosopies that run the world. The only way to defeat an idea is to replace it with a better one and change your mind. I chose to believe Love over all other ideas.
Have a good xmas break and enjoy quatity time with family
God Bless Richie 10
Posted by Richie 10, Saturday, 13 December 2008 11:34:51 PM
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Richie 10 you are a nice person.
I have an understanding of the simple fact many Christians are.
So very many, some who post here think they are Christians.
I know you are one,a good one.
Understand however I stand firm in my belief, right now my health is troubling.
Do not pray for me Richie its our fate to one day die.
But no last minute re conversion for me.
No graveside appeals, I if and when my time comes am content to face the fact of death.
I use you as evidence, proof of a basic goodness in mankind.
In my view the invention of every God from that first rock to Christ Buddha or the rainbow serpent we see in every storm proves man is great.
I will not, now or ever separate man by race or religion, we all given the same chances have the same potential.
I will have a good Christmas, thanks for your wishes,
It will no longer be the huge family one I once had.
2 brothers and fraction of my family one wife, not mine and one child.
But I am content.
As some get rude in talking to Bible bashers, me too at times, I too sell my product with pride,and cop the hatred and abuse.
My product is new unionism, conservative non threatening trade unionism.
I know beyond doubt, none, the future belongs to only the best, the honest unions,
Those who get closer to membership and under stand honesty and service are the only things that matter.
maybe we both sell products few want to buy but my reality is man is great, however we became other than star dust we turned out alright.
Have a great Christmas.
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 14 December 2008 6:02:28 AM
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