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rights and wrongs of entry

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Come if the employer is doing the right thing why be concerned?
Try being the young woman in a town not far from here, one of thousands, who gets 5 dollars an hour cash in hand.
What tax breaks is the thief who employs her getting? after slave wages he pays.
And do not let your fantasy family become too real, if it is so what gains for a union to gate crash?
not membership surely?
Read the well put together story, get some understanding of the subject.
Do not tilt at non existent wind mills.
And above all KNOW unions only enter such non union firms by request of workers on site 95% of the time.
Posted by Belly, Friday, 5 December 2008 5:31:52 PM
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Belly,

You are suggesting that good people all over the country, that live happily together should suffer because of some thieves over in your town abusing some silly young woman who is willing to put up with them.

Why would unions break in? once allowed it could be for 100 reasons, for example:
1. to spy on your company on behalf of a competitor.
2. to harass you for some unrelated personal matter.
3. to coerce your workers into joining their ranks and paying them fees.
4. to check on your security systems, so later they can instruct burglars how they can get in and rip you off.
5. yes, requested by an employee as you suggest: the owner's teenage daugther who is employed there was not happy about not being allowed to use her father's car after midnight, so she called the unions (anonymously) in order to punish her dad.

If it so happens in your town that a young woman is willing to receive slave wages, then:

1) She needs to be educated that this is not necessary.
2) She should get help to solve personal/psychological problems that cause her to accept such conditions.
3) She should receive an unconditional minimal-sustenance support from the government, so she never has to accept such a job just because she is hungry.

In any case, the responsibility for her welfare is the government's, there is no reason why any individual employer should bear that burden and of other social issues which they have nothing to do with. As a tax-payer, I am most happy to take up this responsibility for the above-mentioned young woman (even increase taxes if necessary - that's what they are for).
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 5 December 2008 6:08:18 PM
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Richie ten are you still around?
Just looking for some rational debate.
That young woman does not live in my country village.
She has appeared in other threads in my post she is on social security.
She is one of thousands who have found a way to both be a victim and a thief, get some more for nothing.
Her boss enters her wages as $25 an hour and books her in for 4 hours a week.
She actualy gets 30 hours a week at $5 an hour.
She knows he gets tax breaks and commits a crime too.
unions are quite rightly angry with both of them, we became aware when one girl left and called us.
Right of entry is a fundamental, if you are doing nothing wrong unions Can not hurt you.
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 6 December 2008 4:43:19 AM
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Belly, the situation you describe is of a criminial nature, of two people who steal from the commonwealth, so why re-invent the wheel? it is a matter for police, which can get a judge to sign a search-warrant, investigate the matter and arrest the couple.

If police is unable to handle this because it is under-staffed, then its budget needs to be increased. What you are suggesting instead is to give unions the power to be legislators, judges and executioners all at once - and this you even call "fundamental".

What is fundamental is human-rights, your right live your life without interruption, so long as you do not hurt others, including your right to enjoy your peace, free of intruders on your property.

Any hooligan can start a union, and as you suggest, someone registered as belonging to "the union of clowns and stage-magicians" could come knocking on my door: "G'day, I heard you run a small business from your home, I came to check whether you hide any employees under your bed. If you refuse me entry, you will be charged and go to jail".

Then you try to comfort us by claming that "if you are doing nothing wrong unions Can not hurt you"... nothing wrong by whose standards? the standards of the union mafia of course!

Welcome to 1984...
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 7 December 2008 10:12:00 AM
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Any respect I had for you just went out the window.
Hooligan?
Any hooligan can start a union?
Any idiot can start a business, luckily most are good honest people but some are not, yes some unionists too.
Go to the police?
Come be realistic.
A boss, known for both under paying and abusing his workers, truly foul abusing and threatening them.
Told about his third person in one week, he intended to kill them and throw their body into a river.
I know this is true,he did it in front of me.
Police said? WAIT FOR IT!
We can not take action until he does something.
In the case off the two committing a crime against social security, remember unions got involved by invitation of a workers.
Who named both, who had committed the same crime, but would not go to police federal or other.
I informed social security.
They have done nothing.
Your truly offensive view unions are criminals bosses saints is not worth considering, how could any one take you seriously?
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 7 December 2008 1:28:34 PM
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Belly,

I think you got the wrong impression:
I did not refer to existing unions, or suggest that current members are hooligans, but to the kind of unions we are going to have if these proposals become the law.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. If unions get such powers to enter and search any premises at will, something that even police does not have, then many criminals would be eager to become "unionists".

Just imagine a crime gang - one member will become the "boss" and start a circus and two others will become his employees - say they call themselves a "clown" and a "magician", then those two start "the union of clowns and stage-magicians" and now they have legal powers to break into any premises, be it private homes or even a police station...

I appreciate the good work that you do as a good citizen and am sorry to read about your experiences with the police and social-security. If this is indeed the case, then it must be corrected, using all democratic channels, but not at the expense of the honest majority. I understand that you are upset about certain crimes, but creating your own and unaccountable law-keeping militias is not going to bring about more law and order - quite the contrary.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 7 December 2008 5:36:01 PM
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