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Uncovered women. Fashion or exploitation.

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Well, Boaz, don't say I didn't warn you.

"I'll admit that I don't believe for a moment that you are attracted to blokes dressed in muscle singlets. And you, for your part, admit that this thread was just a troll, to enable you to sermonize."

Your response?

>>No Pericles I don't admit it was a troll<<

Which of course puts a whole new slant on your next remarks...

>>"I've got a rippling muscular upper body and I'll make sure I wear a tight T-shirt to show it" now.. just near us is a major gym and I often notice blokes with that combination of physique and attire at Safeways. I must confess.. that while I don't have so much of a physique.. I also use the T-shirt thing,<<

There are some very good gyms here in Sydney that I'm sure you would enjoy.

Although not close to a Safeways, unfortunately.
Posted by Pericles, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 3:58:21 PM
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Polycarp: "Veronika.. of course I can see other views here."

As Pericles foreshadowed, you either misread my post or you are cognitively unable to understand it.

Let me ask you again, do you understand why people don't want to engage with you on this issue?
Posted by Veronika, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 4:24:56 PM
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Dear Veronika..."no"... I'm trying to explore a serious issue...and it must be misconceptions or apathy as to why not many are engaging.

I went to a Chinese takeaway yesterday and I found 2 magazines there for the customers.

'Maree Claire'
'Cosmopolitan'

I thought I'd have a comparison..and I was quite stunned by the noticable difference.

MC seemed (from my limited perusal) to show very modest yet highly fashionable female attire on the models. I absolutely respected those portrayals that I saw.

COSMO on the other hand was dripping breasts and what not, everything barely kept in place and though I didn't notice any, I think Cosmo also has a 'sealed section' sometimes no? So..the focus of the whole mag is 'sex sex sex' and it uses that to promote itself by persuading young girls that 'this' is what it's all about. The caucasian lady serving in the Takeway totally agreed.. and has a young daughter.

So to me the evidence is compelling that the exposing nature of female attire is closely connected to the fashion industry and it's desire to capitalize.

The Lady also observed "try BUYing anything other than the trampy stuff Cosmo promotes for a young teenager" (it's hard she says)

I'm yet to examine Dolly and the such like.

Pericles.. what on earth are u on about?
Posted by Polycarp, Wednesday, 5 November 2008 3:39:14 PM
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Dear Polycarp,

When Jesus said that only through him could one enter the kingdom of heaven (if he said it as who knows what words were put in his mouth) he showed himself to be a bigot. It didn't matter how good a person was or what a righteous life one led one had to accept his mumbo jumbo. That is bigotry, and it has inspired Christian bigotry and atrocities.

On this string you are worried about women's clothing. If you are a teenage girl with a great body why not flaunt it with the aid of clothing that attracts attention? She is going to lose that great body soon enough. She is programmed to attract males, and males are programmed to be attracted. Males are programmed to attract females, and females are programmed to be attracted. Some people are programmed to be attracted by their own sex. Your sick religion worries about all that. I am not saying that Christianity in itself is sick because Christians have done worthwhile things inspired by their Christianity. I think your puritanical brand is sick.

You keep on about how bad the Catholics are. You slam Muslims. You excuse Calvin's cruelty. No love for those who don't accept your nonsense. You deny the record of Christian cruelty and persecution.

Outside of Christian cruelty and persecution I enjoy the contributions that Christianity has made - the beauty of the cathedrals, the music of Bach, the Russian Orthodox liturgy and the other appeals to the senses, charitable works in many areas. Christianity has brought joy, comfort and succor. Your brand worries about showing a little breast.

I think it is sick to worry about a bit of cleavage. Sometimes one of those adorables gives this old man a seat on the train, and I appreciate the cleavage along with the kind heart under it.
Posted by david f, Thursday, 6 November 2008 8:58:32 AM
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Dear David....

We've coved the John 14:6 territory before.. but clearly you did not grasp the answer.

Firstly, coming from the Messiah, the words are not in the slightest bigoted. He is the one who did the signs, wonders and miracles.

Secondly, what is spoken here refers to FAITH.. belief in Christ as being 'the way'. You and I both know, that pressure and force can never produce 'belief' or genuine faith. Jesus spoke about those who called Him Lord, but their hearts were far from Him.

DAvid..on the Catholics...for goodness sake YOU mentioned the RC Church is a theocracy not me. I simply mentioned some FACTS about them. (Indulgences and history) I'm sorry if the ugly truth hurts, but ugly as it might be, it is still truth.

JESUS is THE WAY.....

He IS..."the" way..by FAITH.. by belief..

Force, pressure, violence can only ever produce OUTward compliance...not inner faith. Jesus NEVER tried to pressure or force anyone into following Him. He did the opposite "If any man would follow me..let him DENY himself" etc...

I hope I never have to explain this again.

I know of no Christian would would understand John 14:6 as a reason to declare war on, or plan forceful attacks on non believers.
But I can show you from youtube COUNTLESS examples of Muslims who absolutely understand that they have a mission to destroy YOU (a Jew)
and all infidels.. 'to the last man' according to one sword wielding Palestinian cleric.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMLJJEDDDGc

I watched this with about a 100 Jews at Beth Weisman synagogue, Melbourne..they took it rather seriously.

Now..much as I would like to say that cleric is just obeying the Quran, I know it well enough to know he is not. Still the Quran does call for the subjugation of non Islam by military violence and force. (9:29) 'That'....is a simple, undeniable FACT.
Posted by Polycarp, Thursday, 6 November 2008 12:43:07 PM
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Dear Polycarp,

We've heard all this from you before - why
do you persist in bringing up Surah 9 - no
matter what the thread?

You're beginning to sound quite unhinged.

Why do you feel it necessary to dwell on
the fundamentalist aspect of another religion?
Over and over again...

I'm getting to that stage now that when I see
your name attached to anything on this Forum -
I'm tempted not to read it because - (Yawn) -
it's the same old thing...

Please stop it. No matter what you've suffered,
seen, or experienced as a result of fundamentalism,
it's time for you to let go and move on.

If you can't, you need to get some serious
counseling for your own mental health.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 6 November 2008 1:18:36 PM
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