David f.

Cite evidence?

Of what I saw happening to society with my own eyes?

Having been a trained observer (a NSW policeman) I saw what was going on with the escalating crime.
In proportion to the increase of sex offenders I saw the spread during the 70's of porn shops and brothels.
I saw the mens magazines go from girls covered in underwear, in the 60's, to wearing nothing at all by the early 70's...and that was just newsagent mens mags.

I dont need stats David... no stats or reports...for eye witness observation and police years experience.

Pornography is killing people...LITERALLY killing people.

We just had two young people jump out of a multi-story apartment building at Waterloo,Sydney the other night to get away from a sex offender who broke in and threatened the occupants.
One was a girl who had been raped by the offender and who subesquently died in the fall.

What do you think the offender fed off?
Sunday comics?

Theres a plague of porn fired lust sweeping the world and women and children are the victims.
Molestation and rape are everywhere!

The only difference between the 50's of my childhood and today is the huge increase in porn.

Who needs stats or reports!

Naomi Wolf wrote in 1990, in her book,
"The Beauty Myth."

"A woman wins by giving herself and other
women permission - to eat; to be sexual;
to age; to wear overalls, a paste tiara,
a Balenciaga gown, a second-hand opera cloak,
or combat boots, to cover up or to go
practically naked; to do whatever we choose in
following - or ignoring - our own aesthetic.

A woman wins when she feels that what each woman
does with her own body - unforced, uncoerced, is
her own business..."

Words still very appropriate for today's woman,
more than a decade later.

What men choose to see, is their problem.

Good post David, I agree with every word.

Unfortunately the one area where women, or should I say many women, have gone backwards over the last few decades is in the area of sexuality. "Some" women use their sexuality to get ahead instead of their brains. The ones who use their brains are the ones who truly reap the rewards and are not controlled by men who usually set the sexual agenda and provide the financial rewards. If a young girl starting out in life uses her brains to advance, she'll end up with self respect and dignity, and she'll control her own destiny. Our secular society has enabled that.

But it's not ONLY religion that's anti advancement for women; many modern young women don't realize the struggles that took place to achieve basic equal rights for women, and "some" of these young women live a Victorian type of old fashioned sexuality where their "sexuality" is seen as the tool for advancement. And there's PLENTY of controlling, old fashioned men who are happy to see this. Some women are going backwards, not forward. Backwards to a sexuality of a bygone era.

'Secular societies have seen women as full citizens rather than as baby-makers, objects of lust, temptresses or humans subject to the male part of the race.;

Oh really. The right for a mother to murder her baby is a step forward. David selective view of secularism is amazing. He ignores the fact that most children use to have a home with a mum and a dad. Secularism has gone a long way to destroy this. Secularism has been successful in promoting promiscuity throughout society resulting in unwanted pregnancies in huge numbers, epidemic child abuse (largely through promotion of the pervert industry), and a widespread belief that homosexuality is 'normal'. The high priests of Secularism usually parade around preaching an outward environmental gospel while inwardly know absolutely nothing about godliness. They love to demonize anyone who exposes their hypocrisy. They preach about the end of the planet denying those who want to be free from bondage an opportunity to escape from hell (everlasting damnation.

Just happens that most educational and medical centres were started by compassionate Christians. But don't let facts get in the way of your dogmas.

Ooookay... have your little laugh frenzy those who wish to do so.. but no..this is nothing about me or my mob having dim views of the human body..not at all.

Veronika shows she has just gone with the flow rather than questioning how they got on the bus :) c'mon..you can do better.

CJ.. I don't mean plumbers cracks are attractive.. but you said it..tight buns.. ok.. we could modify my scenario to 'bun revealing' without the crack.. lets say like some 'leather wearing' folks do with their open panels kind of thing?

Seriously.. take a deep breath and try to emulate something of dear Foxy's approach... My contention here is that a lot of what women wear is dictated by the fashion industry..for purely commercial reasons, and they simply capitalize on the natural attraction and rather mindless ogling that we blokes are said to do.

Blokes are very covered.
Chics are very uncovered.

go figure.

Polycarp wrote:

Blokes are very covered.
Chics are very uncovered.

There's also:

Higgamus, hoggamus;
Women monogamous.
Hoggamus, higgamus;
Men polygamous.