Polycarp

What disturbs me is parents who encourage their teenage girls to dress indecently. They are involuntary victims to exploitation. Essentailly they are being taught that their value is in the size of their breasts or how well they display them. The strings that some women like display that go up their bums must be terribly unhygienic .

Most woman who are in the workforce who dress immodestly are either deliberately naive or are trying to use what they have to further their careers. Bosses dumb enough to fall for this only have themselves to blame. Often they fall prey to the same spirit that blinded King Ahab to Jezebel's charms and Samson to Delilah.

I wondered if porn, the great pestilence to moral civilisation, might also be part of the 'show more' thing with the girls.

Its polluted every level of society even the innocence of 'girl childhood' and more girls are touched by it than ever.

TV is a shocker these days. Mild porn is all through it and its advertising.

Maybe some girls, subconsciously because of the porn influence, have come to think the more they show, the more the male is attracted.

Praise The Lord!... when governments finally admit that a civilisation can fall because of pornography and begin to do something about it.
Theres already enough evidence over the past few decades connecting porn to the huge tsunami of sex crime.

Gibo wrote:

"Theres already enough evidence over the past few decades connecting porn to the huge tsunami of sex crime."

Please cite your evidence. The available evidence is inconclusive.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_health_effects_of_pornography

"Since Denmark was the first country to legalize pornography (in 1969), it was also the first place where researchers employed epidemiological methods in an attempt to assess any consequences of free access to pornography.

Danish criminologist Berl Kutchinsky's Studies on Pornography and sex crimes in Denmark (1970), a scientific report ordered by the Presidential Commisson on Obscenity and Pornography, found that the legalizing of pornography in Denmark had not (as expected) resulted in an increase of sex crimes.

Since then, many other experiments have been conducted, either supporting or opposing the findings of Berl Kutchinsky, who would continue his study into the social effects of pornography until his death in 1995. His life's work was summed up in the publication Law, Pornography, and Crime: The Danish Experience (1999).

In stark contrast to the previously described research, a review of epidemiological studies found that some studies find that the quantity of pornographic material viewed by men was positively correlated with degree to which they endorsed sexual assault. Yet it sees a failure to find statistically significant correlations in other studies."

There is evidence that pornography both decreases and increases the incidence of sex crimes. There is no huge tsunami of sex crimes. One can reasonably expert that one reason for the difference in conclusions is that the researchers found what those who commissioned the research expected them to find. I suspect that the initial Danish study finding a decrease in sex crimes is accurate, and the studies showing trends in the opposite direction were commissioned largely by agencies that wanted such findings.

In modern times, there's no doubt women, and their clothing, are sexualized MUCH more than men and men's attire. Now to the conundrum: Does this mean that women are "free" to live and express as they choose, or does it mean that they still exist in Victorian times where their worth is viewed from a sexual perspective?

I believe the second view is accurate.

I believe women have gone "backwards" over the past decades, in the area of sexuality. When a woman uses her body to gain acceptance, instead of her brain, she's reverted to old fashioned Victorian era ethics where the woman is a second class citizen reliant on her sexuality in order to progress. That's a backward step, because men aren't subjected to the same sexualization. It's not a level playing field. It's a playing field where men set the rules, men primarily profit the most and men have the major control.

As a man I like to see women use their brains to advance their lot in life. That's the way to dignity and self respect. For me, all this has got nothing to do with religion; the Christian and Muslim puritans are just as damaging for women as the secular sector who encourage the sexualization of women, usually for profit.

rw523252 wrote:

"As a man I like to see women use their brains to advance their lot in life. That's the way to dignity and self respect. For me, all this has got nothing to do with religion; the Christian and Muslim puritans are just as damaging for women as the secular sector who encourage the sexualization of women, usually for profit."

Secular societies have seen women as full citizens rather than as baby-makers, objects of lust, temptresses or humans subject to the male part of the race. Equal rights as to voting and access to employment, equal pay for equal work and the right to decide whether to bear children or not are all tendencies in secular societies.

Secular societies have liberated women. Some of the milestones are:

Publication of Mary Wollstonecraft's "Vindication of the Rights of Women" (1792). Pioneering women's rights treatise introduced key feminist concepts, inspired many 19th-century suffragists.

Women's Rights Convention at Seneca Falls (1848). Initiated first wave of women's rights movement that ultimately won women suffrage.

Elizabeth Cady Stanton published "Woman's Bible," vol. I (1895). First influential work to recognize the damage done by traditional Christianity to women's rights, autonomy, self-image.

Worldwide woman's suffrage movement (early 1900s). Agitated for political equality, reform of other social and religious structures that unfairly disadvantage women.

Publication of Simone de Beauvoir's "The Second Sex" (1949). Launched second-wave feminism, inspiring Millett, Friedan, Steinem, and others.

Margaret Sanger opens first birth control clinic (1916). Pioneered idea that family size should be a woman's choice; opposed religious control over reproduction, promoted decoupling of reproduction from the sex act.

1960s Women's Rights Movement. Where previous women's rights movement had won women the vote, the 1960s movement sought parity between men and women in all areas of life.

Roe v. Wade (1973). Legalized abortion in first and second trimesters, ending reign of illegal abortion as the #1 killer of women of childbearing age.

The above are all products of the secular sector and have been opposed for the most part by the religious sector.

david f there has been similar work carried out in the USA tied to differing internet uptake rates in different states and rates of sex crimes. They have looked at the rates of other crimes to ensure that changes are not the consequence of a overall change in policing.

My understanding is that there were very clear inverse correlations between the rates of sex crime committed by teenage boys and internet takeup. The effects were much less marked in other age groups. I suspect that many of the other studies are lab experiments, getting people to watch porn in controlled situations and then make subjective assessments of their response to an attractive female interviewer seems to be common.

Someone using porn at home in privacy may well be at a very different place in terms of sexual interest following that usage to someone who's just watched porn in a controlled situation and then spends time with an attractive women.

R0bert