A CLASSIC EXAMPLE of the danger of making incorrect connections between history and particular faiths occurred today on Sky News.

QUOTE.

"Many Indian Christians are suffering from Hindu radicals attacks which are a BACKLASH to the murder of a Hindu Holy man some months ago"

PROBLEM. What this story did NOT say is that MARXISTS had already claimed responsibility for that murder and Christians had nothing to do with it. The Hindu extremists CHOSE to blame Christians as they see them as more of a threat.

TIMES of INDIA STORY
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/We_killed_Orissas_VHP_leader_Maoists/articleshow/3562518.cms

BHUBANESWAR: Orissa's top ranking Maoist Sabyasachi Panda has once again claimed that the red brigade killed Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati and four
of his disciples at his Jalespeta ashram on August 23.

HINDU PROPAGANDA story

http://intellibriefs.blogspot.com/2008/09/swami-laxmanananda-saraswati-becomes_03.html

<<Eleven of them arrested by the police are all Christians. The Maoists have denied that they were involved in the gruesome killing.

At last, Christian missionaries succeeded in their notorious plan by killing Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati in cold blood and removed the main obstacle in their path for spreading Christianity in Orissa.>>

David F's approach is about as 'reasonable and balanced' as this Hindu propoganda.

NONE of which is related to the TOPIC. which is 'STATE LAND FOR PRIVATE RELIGION' (and exclusivity)

So..unless we can contribute to the TOPIC.. why don't we refrain from Christian-bashing.

Does anyone agree that STATE land can be used for:

a)Private
b)Exclusive
c)Discriminatory

...Religious Purposes. I don't on the grounds of our consitution and Equal Opportunity Act.

Porkycrap: << To say otherwise is absolute religious vilification. >>

<< So..unless we can contribute to the TOPIC.. why don't we refrain from Christian-bashing. >>

You seem a bit agitated this morning, Porky. I suppose it would be futile to point out the frequency with which you hijack other discussions in order to engage in a bit of Mozzie-whacking or gratuitous preaching?

You protest too much about david f's interesting observation that the Holocaust can be seen as "applied Christianity". I think he has made a strong point that you haven't been able to refute, despite your expostulations.

As to your "TOPIC", I think everybody's made it quite clear to you that it's a crock. You appear to be about the only participant in the discussion who hasn't realised that.

Question

If the holocaust was as Polly claims "mis-applied Christianity", then was 9/11 "mis-applied Islamism"?

Back On Topic

For the sake of edification, RMIT has given space to a Muslim Prayer room for OVER 14 YEARS. This room was closed for the building of a new multi-faith spiritual centre.

Now the issue is that suitable rooms have been specifically designed for Muslim students and staff, with separate female and male prayer rooms, washing facilities and social spaces. However, RMIT has decreed that outside of Muslim prayer times the rooms could be used by other religions.

"Even though no other religious group has sought to use the two prayer rooms, RMIT is adamant the rooms remain available to other faiths outside of the times they are booked for Muslim students."
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24497173-12332,00.html

Now we have the facts to which Polly has vaguely alluded.

Crime of the century? Hardly.

Polly making mountains out of his favourite Mus-hill? You betcha.

Dear Polycarp,

May I suggest that you go to your local library
and take out a copy of the book,
"From Buddha to Bono," by Tor Hundloe.

There's quite a few chapters in it on Islam.

One in particular should correct some of your
misconceptions, it
is entitled:

"Islamic scholars guard the great Greek texts."

Hundloe tells us that,

"Hellenistic philosophy and science was rediscovered
in the West after many centuries of neglect, thanks to
Islamic scholars who had preserved much of the works
of the great Greeks. These had been saved in Baghdad,
translated, re-translated and transmitted to Muslim
Spain.

These texts started to become available to the west with
the defeat abd expulsion of the Moors (Muslims) in what
was then known as Andalusia..."

As Hundloe stresses the gratitude everyone still owes
to a few Islamic scholars can't be overestimated.

What would society be like today if we had lost
that once-in-millennium era of Greek philosophy?

Would we only today be in the initial stages of
inventing democracy, law, science and ethics?

As Hundloe tells us, the answer must be, "probably yes."

"New ideas, better ideas, build on old ideas. Ideas
can be lost and can be destroyed. Dark ages resurface.
Dictators burn books because it is possible to destroy
the building blocks of civilisation. Yet classical Greek
science and philosophy was saved, to be built upon..."

We didn't have to start from scratch.

As Hundloe states,

"During the first century of the Muslim Abbasid dynasty,
which lasted 500 years until the Mongol leader Hulagu Khan
sacked Baghdad in 1258, most of the great works of Greek
philosophy and science were translated into Arabic and
kept safely in centres of Muslim religious learning."

"Today we might have very serious concerns with the
fundamentalist fringe of Islam, just as we do with
the fundamentalist fringes of Christianity and Hinduism,
but we should never forget the role of the Muslim scholars
of 1000 or so years ago."

Interesting nit-picking racist fight starting, by the pointless and stone-age thinking's of religions. What a waste of energy! and not to mention the embarrassment that some christian writers are causing.

The peoples definition. Christianity is very similar to biker gangs! They push they poisonous underworld stuff on one hand and raise money for charity on the other.

And this apparently is excepted. I think I understand what good and evil is now!

Thank god! (punt) Those ammunition factors in WW2! weren't they owned by the christian factions.

I here a song! Two faces have I.

EVO

Excuse me. I feel the need to b silly poppet 4 a moment.
Apologies in advance.

Q: What do u get if u cross a Jew with a Muslim?
A: A head banging bottom sniffer!
;-)

They all giggle here when someone farts at prayer time in the Mushollah. They're in many ways very little different to us u know?

Seriously though, when *Sharon* and his goons turned up, was it so hard that u could to take him in, war criminal or otherwise, and sup with him? Mayhaps deep down, despite such foolish and belligerent behaviour, that he came seeking forgiveness.

Aduh! Jadi susah mati. Sama aja Suharto.
(TRANS: Expression of exasperation. and it became (for him) difficult to die. The same as it was in the case of Suharto)

In Indo they said when Suharto was dieing that for him it was very difficult because he had the blood of so much innocence on his hands.

I expect that the same may have been said of Sharon.

Scorn not LuvUnconditional, or suffer Brother Windu's fate u may.

...Adam...