Polly

So Jesus wants everyone to be like you? Count me out. Rub my name off your list. If you're the model of the sinner in repentance, I'm afraid my diary is full for the next 300 years.

IamJospeh,

"and just who sold Saddamm those nasty chemicals? "

This is what I was referring to -

The supplier of chemicals used against the Kurds in the 1980’s -
http://www.laweekly.com/2003-03-27/news/made-in-the-usa/

The fallout and subsequent sidestepping -
http://www.iht.com/articles/2003/01/17/edjoost_ed3_.php

Some perspective –

These chemicals (and other weapons) were supplied primarily to be used against the Iranians. The US was using Saddam (helped into power by them) to fight the Ayotollah on their behalf. The Ayatollah overthrew their previous nominee – the Shah, who they earlier helped install after they in turn helped overthrow the previous Iranian government.

The rise of militant Islam is mainly down to their own meddling in Middle Eastern affairs.

Likewise, they were equipping, training and using groups like Al Quaeda the same way, to fight the USSR and then betrayed them and the Afghanis afterwards. That’s the main reason the terrorists are against them now.
The creation of any so-called “Islamist agenda” is a result of their own actions.

Just as they had earlier been the subject of frequent attacks in South America and now have 761 military bases in 39 countries around the world to protect their own interests, this is what’s sometimes referred to as “reaping what you sow”.

To be fair to the Americans, Churchill also wanted to use mustard gas the Kurds after WW1 but was stopped only because of how it could stir up trouble in the Indian colony.

Neither side can claim to have any monopoly on righteousness or decency.

"Jesus did not posture Himself as a revolutionary in the sense that Joseph would like.. but consider this.. every revolutionary movement against Rome ended in disaster and mass slaughter, and Rome STILL 'won'. (Masada)"

Firstly, understand I am not attacking christians - the Gospels is making all the attacks, and in a fatal, existential mode too. Rome's demise had nothing to do with JC - this began after the *WIN* of the Jews against Rome's blasphemous, genocidal decree - and not a single Jew surrendered. Otherwise, you can also say that Jesus lost because he died on a cross - like 2 million other Jews. The only resurrection which occured is that of Israel's return - in the sight of all the world, and this says that Jesus harkened to the true God of Israel, and NOT so to the Gospels. What's so bad about that - as opposed to the millions murdered by Europe's medevial church for 1800 years?

It is also a fact, self declared in the Gospels, that Jesus, or the European written Gospel's version of him, failed to confront Rome - the only position which can have any merit here. The vilification of hapless, rowdy money changers does not square against omitting those same money changers sacrificed their lives and families, along with the Pharisees and their families, to defend their beliefs. You cannot choose what you like and omit what you don't. The sinners and bad giys were the Roman Nazis - in case you forgot - and they disaapeared same as did the Pharoah's Egypt and Babylon. Factor what does not suit but which does merit factoring - else how can the truth set you free?

"So Jesus wants everyone to be like you? Count me out. "

This is why the Gospels does not have any merit - its so-called notion of love thy neighbour is strictly limited to those who sign up - all others are doomed to a very hot place for a very long time. Islam does the same. In contrast, the OT says ONLY THE SOUL THAT SINNETH IT SHALL PAY, and EQUAL RIGHTS FOR THE STRANGER AS THE INHABITANT. Note that there are no preference conditions for Jews here, namely a bad Jew does not get immunity, while the Gosels gives a free bonus to any who sign up. A law need not have any names attached - if its a correct law it is pristine and can stand on its own. The gospels also failed to assist the Jews back to their homeland, and went on to perpertrate the greatest murders in all recorded history:

'WE WILL NEVER SUPPORT THE RETURN OF THE JEWS TO *THEIR HOMELAND* BECAUSE THEY REJECTED JESUS' - Pope Not So Pious.

Does it mean Christians must loose Europe for rejecting Mohammed? Therein we see the diference in Rejecting Mighty Rome's similar decrees of heresy!



"The rise of militant Islam is mainly down to their own meddling in Middle Eastern affairs."

As I said, radical Islam does what it does globally, and needs not America to justify its attrocities. America did not meddle in India, Thailand or China. Iraq was once supplied weapons to counter Iran - a legitimate cause as the Iranians were entrenched with the red, stallinist soviets - and this is seen manifest today. The Ayatolah was an insane man who murdered 100s of 1000s of Iranians, not because of America either.

Pollycrap

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you simply didn't see these questions.

* When was the last time the "deadly weapon", the kirpan, was used in an assault in an Australian school?

* Can you please make the connection clear between the kirpan and female genital mutilation.

* Which religions in Australia are "traditional" and therefore not wanting to change the law, and which are "non-traditional" and therefore likely to "cause chaos"?

If you don't answer, I'll assume you're just a tyre kicker wasting everyone's time.

Spikey: << If you don't answer, I'll assume you're just a tyre kicker wasting everyone's time. >>

Don't hold your breath, Spikey. Porkyboaz is renowned for cutting and running when you ask him a hard question.