We should have stopped watching TV a long time ago. It is time to do some research now we have the PC and look at control of the masses via the world order. One of the things they point out is,women are being put on the pill then men's infertility being risen, then to control people by braking down the family unit.
As Jacques Cousteau and the David Rockefeller said: "Too many people on this earth",and somebody else (I forgot who)said "To many useless eaters."
As far as my own family is concerned, my wife is Australian and I like the certain toughness in her, but if you can just talk together about general life and spend some time together including your children, instead of watching the box, then the family unit, despite differences of opinion, has more chance to stay together.

Hey Poncan... well said

"Head of family is a responsibility, not a fix for the power hungry, but someone has to do it."

Living as you are in the Phils.. your experience is far more valid than 'airmchair/textbook' Anthropologists who have lost their masculinity and surrendered to unbalanced feminism (it would seem) and then live in blissful denial.

I can quite identify with the 'utopia' you describe.. but it has nothing to do whatsover with the 'status we cannot have in Australia' but EVerything to do with the joy of extended family and mutual support not to mention great fellowship.

You see.. many posters view relationships such as ours (yours and mine) through secular, atheist,racist eyes.. note the slurs 'ignorant tribal woman' kind of thing... aaah..now if they were SUPERIOR 'white' women.. who know what the world is about.. they would quickly put us in our places... right? :) well.. we can just ignore such ingnorance as it will go the way of all emptiness.. fading..fading..gone.

CHURCH.. agreed.. it is not neccessary for good values. I'm simply saying that it helps greatly in my view.. if you haven't yet experienced this particular diminsion of tribal life.. I urge you to reserve judgement until you see/experience it :)

PHILLIPS.. you know what they say "The sin we hate the most in others is the one we have ourselves" :) and I read your post more like a confession than an accusation.

Poncan: << CJM – please let me know your thoughts about male suicides in OZ >>

It's not a topic I think much about, actually. I imagine that men top themselves for various reasons, but I would've thought that suicide is an excessive reaction to not being allowed to rule the roost.

Polycarp, you will never make a believer out of me, although I will admit to attending a church boarding school, and playing the part of an alter boy when I was young. I would never deny others their belief – i.e. my wife is a staunch RC.

I get your point about “The sin we hate the most in others…….etc”, however I don’t think I can relate to being an extreme feminist. I am 6ft and 115kg, and would make the ugliest looking Sheila imaginable. Although, this picture does ring some bells with other feminists I have run across. Confess? Not a problem mate – I will tell you everything if you can make the time to listen – no one else is interested. Let me know when you will be arriving at the Manila airport, and I will pick you up for a week or two of solid listening.

We all had a laugh here over this primitive tribal business. I think CJM should travel a bit more.

What continues to worry me is the fact everyone in this forum so far has totally ignored one very important matter of male suicides in Australia. The link is there to suggest that 2 men every day on average suicide because of relationship problems, and certainly pressure from CSA. Give me your thoughts about this please.

Poncan, you're ascribing a simple reason to a complex problem. First you have to prove the main cause is relationship breakdown, though given that is the likeliest cause of emotional hardship I can believe that.
However there are many reasons why relationships break down and the corresponding suicides. I'd say that suicides also occurred frequently in the past and there's more reporting of them now.

I'd say it's also more likely that typical old fashioned attitudes about men needing to be the 'head of the family' cause these suicides rather than prevent them. When a man feels he has to hold it all together and be the sole bulwark against adversity... not to mention trying to live up to emotionally stunted role models like John Wayne, who would never discuss their feelings... well, sounds like more of a disastrous recipe to me.

Looking at this from a practical standpoint, I really don't see how you could expect self-respecting women to embrace such an idea. Do you really think women in Australia would - or more importantly, do you really think should - just accept having men as the head of the household?

US, the choice of words might have been cavalier, but I stand by them - ultimately, it was about choice and I'd support men being able to choose to be 'homemakers' as it were, just as much as I'd support women being 'providers' and working. Actually, given today's real world economics, chances are both need to be 'providers' anyway, so the feminist push would have been inevitable if such economic imperatives continued.

However, I suspect more men do not wish to be 'homemakers' perhaps because they feel the need to stick to their gender roles a little more. In any case, depriving a woman of the right to choose their role is in itself I think, a lesser role.

CJ, I know that you are having fun baiting Poncan but that last comment seemed to be in very poor taste. If you know so little about male suicide perhaps you could spend some time reading up on it.

A read through the suicde related sections on http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/94713ad445ff1425ca25682000192af2/CF968A10EFD1BF8FCA256BDC00122408?opendocument

Wesley Mission produced a worthwhile paper on the topic http://www.wesleymission.org.au/publications/r&d/suicide.htm

Some work from "Australian Institute for Suicide Research and Prevention, Griffith University, Nathan, Queensland" http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/iprs2/cantor/cantor.html

A paper from Beyond Blue http://www.beyondblue.org.au/index.aspx?link_id=105.898&oid=888

Not an issue to be casually dismissed or made light of.

R0bert