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what is the use of A.V.O's?

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lilya, I'm struggling to think what advice to give. If he is entering the property illegally and vandalising stuff then surely it should be a criminal law issue. If so with the accused clearly identified it should be an easy matter for the police to deal with.

Like steel I tend to think AVO's often agragavate the situation. I don't know the background to your sisters situation but if your sisters ex is feeling done over in this process it's just another item in an unjust system. Feeling done over may not always be legitimate by the way, humans don't always put our own situations in perspective particularly well.

Any idea why he is doing this stuff? Is that something that can be resolved?

Steel man, thanks for your comments. Of course Gibo's prayers would be the only reason neighbours would leave, nothing at all to do with his personality or behaviour. ;)

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Friday, 25 July 2008 4:42:05 PM
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He obviously doesn't work, otherwise send the cops there. I'd put the pressure on his family. Parents, friends etc. Get the cops to go around to their places. Hire a private detective to find where he lives. Find out yourself by getting friends to stake out his friends places. Record and video EVERYTHING he does. Keep copies of emails, messages. Stay in touch with people who witness his activities.

He's 'obviously' violent otherwise there wouldn't be an AVO?, correct?. Be careful not to provoke a violent lash back, but collect evidence and one day they'll catch up with him.

He can be arrested for violating an AVO. They don't protect you physically, obviously, but the more he does the more they'll throw at him when they catch him.

God won't help you. Gibo's insane.
Posted by StG, Friday, 25 July 2008 4:44:17 PM
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lilya, sorry I'd missed your last post when I put mine up. You've answered my questions so please ignore the question part.

Defacto laws are an ugly beast. Put in place to protect the innocents they are abused by the unscrupulous. A former girlfriend went through some very tough times with a previous boyfriend claiming defacto status and trying to take her property. No real case but the legal bills were bad, the emotional strain was damaging and there was always the risk his lies would be believed.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Friday, 25 July 2008 4:55:34 PM
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I know it's difficult to catch him, but shouldn't the police use some kind of entrapment? All those police sitting around handing out punitive speeding fines and drinking coffee and donuts could be used to do this.

This is a great example of our bureacratic police force that does nothing to protect ordinary people while wasting million $$$ chasing someone like Haneef the case against whom was already thrown out and in that greatly over-allocated APEC and WYD security which wasted hundreds of millions of dollars
Posted by Steel, Friday, 25 July 2008 5:07:51 PM
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Those defacto laws probably came at the demand of feminists, just remember that. I still think there may be a way out by using some game theory and understanding his psychology and why he might be doing this. I think he is trying to communicate something. He seems really hurt to do something like this so long... (...of course i am making assumptions but that is all that can be done...). Some of the costs can't be attributed to him though, such as the spending on lawyers. I consider many lawyers to be thieves, just as some doctors take your money without giving anything in return.
Posted by Steel, Friday, 25 July 2008 5:26:46 PM
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Well steel, unfortunately there needs to be laws to cover everything. And some are less effective, or practical than others, be it an AVO or APEC (though I'd argue we didn't need new laws, the standard ones were fine).

Regrettably, the vast majority of police resources are directed toward DV. I've known police stations at which two thirds of all calls are about DV in some form or another.

It isn't the police's fault they can't do anything, it is indeed the laws which are at fault, but when you have something like domestic violence which is always different, it makes the situation damn near impossible to regulate.

Lilya, I don't know what can be done. There have been some suggestions here, I hope they work. One saving grace is that people who do these things tend to not be very bright and sooner or later they make a mistake, though unfortunately, all too often it's the 'later.' I guess all she can do for now is try to keep friends nearby.
Posted by TurnRightThenLeft, Friday, 25 July 2008 5:31:03 PM
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