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Enoch Powell.. a man ahead of his time?

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In 1960ish.. Enoch Powell made his historic speech "Rivers of blood"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMTndhA21O0&feature=related

For a glimpse of the actual speech.

His key point was:

"Within 15 or 20 yrs, there will be rivers of blood from racial strife"

if Immigration is unchecked.

Some facts of history.

Prior to 1960

2 mentionable Riots.

1/ Battle of Cable St between Sir Oswald Mosely supporters and a mixed band of Communists, Jews and Irish and Socialists.(Non Racial)

2/ Notting Hill race riots, mainly between White Teddy Boys and Africans. (Racial)

Powell predicted 15 0r 20 yrs in 1965.

1979 Southall Riots
1981 Brixton Riots
1981 Toxeth Riots
1981 Handsworth riots
1985 Brixton riots II
2001 Oldham Riots
1989 Dewsbury Riots (BNP vs Muslims)
2001 Bradford Riots
While not 'riots'.. there have also been the very violent demonstrations about Cartoons, The Pope, "Trinity of evil goto hell" type signs.

The interesting point about how the Brixton riots began, is how 'perceptions' based on the difference of color was significant.

Example.
-a black youth had been stabbed.
-A policeman was attending to him.
-African youths 'perceived' that he was roughing up the youth.. interrogating him.. denying him help (An ambulance had already been called) and so on.. because the youth was black and the Policeman was white.

Say what you like about Powell.. History is history, make your own judgement about the validity of Powells words.
Posted by Polycarp, Friday, 18 July 2008 11:48:31 PM
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Yes, Powell was ahead of his time. Being a fascist retro-Nazi who looks for scapegoats among racial minorities is very modern.
Posted by Sancho, Saturday, 19 July 2008 2:07:16 AM
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Well, well, well... somebody remembers Powell and his famous "Rivers of blood" speech. Thank you, Polycarp, for posting this. Everybody shoudl read it. I came across Powell several years ago and I found him to be fascinating. He was a complex person and unafraid.

Here is the Wiki entry about the speech:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers_of_Blood_speech

His critics distroyed him. He never held an offical post again after taking his position and making his speech. Since that time his name cannot be mentioned in liberal and multiculturalist circles without mud being thrown and vile words being said.

The problem is that he believed in equality and he understood that many immigrants did not accept Western values -- particularly their leaders. He said that government policies would favor some groups (immigrants) over others (natives). Critics laughed at his statistics and said be was looney.

Fast forward 40 years. The west is in trouble. Tens of millions of Muslims and opther immigrants are living in Western nations because our nations have allowed tens of millions of them to enter - most of whom are people with which we share nothing in common. Their values are not our values. They do not understand our freedoms and do not respect our institutions. It is happening much as Powell said it would. Almost exactly.

I included a section about Powell in my page on liberty and what is happening to our freedoms
http://www.kactuzkid.com/liberty.html

Of course, his critics blame all the problems on racism or nazi fascists and never ever think to consider their actions and attitudes. It is always somebody elses fault. Always.

Bad times are a coming. Blood will flow.

Kactuz
Posted by kactuz, Saturday, 19 July 2008 2:42:33 AM
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It appears that all a bigot has to do is wait and someone will think they are prophetic.

like this:
"Your Machiavellian Merchant spoils the State. Your Artifex, and craftsmen work our fate, and like the Jews, you eat us up as bread. Every merchant has three trades at least, and with your cut-throat selling you undo us all. We cannot suffer long. Our poor workers do starve and die.

In Chambers, twenty in one house will lurk, living far better then at native home. And our pore souls, are clean-thrust out of door.

Expect you therefore such a fatal day, shortly on you, and yours to ensue. We’ll cut your throats, in your temples praying. As we do just vengeance on you all. "

This was written in 1593 about the Huguenots.

Or this:
"East of Aldgate one walks into a foreign town"
"The modern Englishman lives under the constant danger of being driven from his home, pushed out into the streets, not by the natural increase of our own population but by the off-scum of Europe".
Major Evans Gordon, MP for Stepney 1887.

Lets wait and see if someone else can look like a visionary.
And come to think of it, Polycarp is looking less like Boazy and more like Jack.
Posted by Bugsy, Saturday, 19 July 2008 8:50:06 AM
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All this kerfuffle over people of different races when the UK Government has introduced serious plans to record every single voice conversation, text message, chat message and internet search made within, to and from the country. The REAL prophet was George Orwell...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four
Posted by Antiseptic, Saturday, 19 July 2008 9:46:41 AM
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How surprising that Boazycrap is a fan of Enoch Powell.
Posted by CJ Morgan, Saturday, 19 July 2008 10:05:27 AM
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