Here is a relevant posting related to this issue...

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/column_the_great_victim_hunt/

It is about the victimology industry. It is about why certain people need things like hate, discrimination and racism. It not only gives meaning to their lives and makes them feel good, but puts money in their pockets and power to control others. This is why the government, the media and academia love 'racism'.

This is what Powell was talking about. This is why the problem will never end, because too many people have an interest in perpetuating problems and conflict, or enhancing differences. Solving the problem would mean the loss of power and money for some.

Things are getting worse. The only solution is to be honest, brutally honest, about issues that affect our lives and those of our children. People need to put PC-ness in the trash and talk seriously about immigration, culture, assimulation, basic values, welfare, etc... We need to tell immigrants that if they want to come to a country they must respect that country. If they want to bring their values (or lack thereof) and customs then we should do them a favor and send them back to where they will be happy. Our governments, however, tells us their customs and principles are just as good as ours and we should respect them and do everything possible to make them feel good and suceed, including special favors and protection denied to others. Autralia has had immigration for 200+ years. It wasn't until this last generation that this became an issue. What happened? A different type of immigrant and a PC-based immigration policy. I blame the policy more than the immigrants. They, for the most part, are only following the official multi-cultural directive.

People can live together, but only if the government backs off and stops making things worse. From personal experience I have seen how 'help' from welfare, government and even good-intentioned people has destroyed lives and doomed people to discrimination, poverty, dispair and crime, all this to benefit the do-gooders that pretend to want to end these things.

Kactuz

“My question to you would be: why is this so? Why do you feel that expressing "this sort of view" generates opprobrium.”

Pericles, it is the psychological power of labels. If someone gets called something vehemently by even a small number of vocal people, the majority will come to believe it or suspect that it must be true if some prominent people are loudly saying it is so.

So, those who care about population growth for environmental reasons were branded racist, Fascist, elitist, etc, which pretty much skittled the ZPG movement in the 70s….and antimulticulturalists and anti-immigrationists who care about threats to the Australian culture, social harmony and way of life were similarly branded.

‘Greenie’ has been another very effective label. Those with good motives (if at times a little misguided), copped this and other labels such as 'tree-huggers' and 'bleeding-heart lefties', which caused them to be distanced from mainstream society very considerably.

One of the amazing things that I have encountered over the last decade when visiting hundreds of grazing properties, cane farms, mines, etc throughout north and central Qld, is landholders who say words like; “I’m not a greenie but….” and continue to talk about population growth and all sorts of other environmental issues. Many demonstrate a high level of awareness and a strong desire for us all to live sustainably.

The label ‘greenie’ really was strongly and quite falsely divisive, as much environmental concern existed in the general community, but the community was reluctant to listen to those perceived to be greenies, which meant that their concern wasn't harnessed and environmental progress has been much slower than it should have been as a result.

The dominant social paradigm can pretty easily suppress minority opinion with simple labels like this.

However, as the dominant opinion switches, as it certainly is with population growth and overall environmental issues…..and soon with high immigration and multiculturalism, I’d reckon the labels will start sticking to the new pro-growth anti-environmental minority, which will accelerate the rate of change. Here’s hoping anyway.

Enoch Powell a man behind his time.
Through Education Racism will be a hatred of the past.
The world is hoping that Barack Obana will become the President of the United States. The tribalism will not be fought between different shades of skin it will always be fought between religions the opium of the people. While the impressionable continue to place a spirit on a pedestal then the world will always be divided. While world leaders openly support a God then their will always be division. The struggle should be between the haves and the have nots. The rich should be helping the poor and not building arms to murder people.

Wellll the feeding frenzy is pretty much exhausted..and good to see some effort in discussing the issue.

One rather imporant point.. given that I thus far have only opened with ONE post.. and have not responed to the 'reign of terror' inflicted...

It has been a very enlightening experience and study in human nature.

Brother Pericles as raving on about 'my opnions' and how I seem to look up to Powell.....?

My last words in the only post I've thus far presented were:

"History is history, make your own judgement about the validity of Powells words."

I think the key part of that last sentence bears repeating:

"make...your...own...judgment"

All I did was report the speech and show the historical increase in race related riots since it occurred.

I disagree that his speech had much to do with increased racial tension.. The degree to which it did, should be the subject of some serious research and study.

The SOUTHALL RIOTS are a good example of how the dynamics of racial tension work.
1/-High concentration of migrants
2/-Polarization of this into 'them/us' based primarily on 'difference'.
3/-Racist perceptions of legitimate police work in an area of high crime.
4/-The tyranical "we will stop it" attitude to a lawful peaceful BNP rally scheduled for the area.

It appears New Labor have at least tried to solve the problem of 1 but it still backfired in Wrexham when about 40 Kurds in an Caia Park estate of 3000+white Anglo's decided to take on 'the lads' and attacked the pub with iron bars.(One Kurd had been beaten up by Anglos the night b4) The 200 or so Anglos who came out the next day and fought pitched battles with police who tried to protect the Kurds was quite predictable.
I hardly think Powells speech had anything to do with that.

For once the Socialists seem to have nutted the dynamics out
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jul2003/asyl-j09.shtml
As opposed to the PC version here.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/north_east/3016678.stm

Pericles: "I have waded through Boaz' diatribes on race hatred,"

Now...this is quite fascinating.. and as P says "we are entering new psychological territory here"

Actually ...not so, we are in the same old territory where a person can read a fairly unemotional opening post.. and project onto it a host of opinions assertions and prejudices which they themselves hold...

Quite worthy of inclusion in a 'required reading' course for trainee therapists.

ChazP..you seem new to OLO.. your comment was welcome as are you.

All readers should understand that Pericles understanding of information is colored very much by his world view.
His world view does not allow for 'ancient/obscure' manuscripts to influence modern behavior. Given that presupposition..anything Kactuz or others say about Islam will simply not register on his horizon.
It is rejected by default.

Re Powell.. it was interesting to note his activities regarding importing black migrants to assist in various roles. I feel Powell was not against Immigration as such, but unconrolled and expliotative use of it.

My only concern for immigration is that it be controlled in our own interests....rather than the interests of certain political groups, particularly that of the International Socialist movement.

BUGSY's post illustrates admirably the nature of 'difference' and how communities react to it.. worthwhile contribution.

Ludwig..your points about Powell's support are new to me.. I'll see that vid.. thanx

I think that Enoch Powell was a d!ckhead of his time.

Clearly, he was an inspiration for others of similar cranial disposition in our time.