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Enoch Powell.. a man ahead of his time?
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Posted by Gibo, Saturday, 19 July 2008 10:34:40 AM
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I tend to agree with kactus. Enoch Powell was accused unfairly of being racist purely because he saw the various racial mixtures and consequent religious beliefs and cultures, as being incompatible. What I like about Australia is the fact that we do have such a racial mix here, but the basic beliefs and cultures are basically the same. What worries me is the differences that are beginning to creep in from immigrants that don't want to accept our way of life and unfortunately this appears to be based on religious differences that are unacceptable in a sectarian society. As I have said before in a previous post, not until religion has gone the way of the dinosaurs and we are all coffee coloured, will we be able to live in some kind of peaceful coexistence.
I actually went to a meeting in Oxford when Enoch Powell was a Don and member of parliament to hear him speak. He was certainly not a rabid racist, but spoke with eloquence and was articulate in his opinion that assimilation should be a carefully undertaken at a very slow pace. otherwise we would be buying trouble in the future. Sadly this is coming to pass. Posted by snake, Monday, 21 July 2008 2:25:15 PM
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Boaz, I'm really very cross with you continuing with this "Polycarp" character, simply in order to distance yourself from the clumsy tangle you got yourself into.
It would be the honest and decent thing to admit to your attempted deception, and revert to your original persona and face the music. If there is any music to face, of course. We are very forgiving. Even more disappointing is that you have clearly decided to continue with hallmark Boaz rabble-rousing. Enoch Powell - much like your other mentor, Sir Oswald Moseley - was a highly intelligent and articulate individual. I have absolutely no doubt that Powell was sincere. I also have no doubt that he was a prime example of the apologetic racist. "It's not the colour of their skin I object to, so much as..." But that isn't really the point, is it? You consider the "rivers of blood" speech to be prophetic. I, and many others both at the time and since, consider that speech to have been the single biggest factor in the increase of racial tension in Britain, and the major driving force behind every racially-based riot since. You see prophecy, I see cause and effect. To you, as we have discussed before on many, many occasions, "speaking the truth" is paramount, and therefore may be held totally blameless for any resulting outrage. To me, your "truth" is simply your opinion, and should be displayed with the humility that is appropriate to one opinion among many. You lack, Boaz, any vestige of that humility. As a result, the only outcome of your racist rants can be to foment ill-will, to stiffen resistance, and eventually to light the match to a major conflagration. At which point, no doubt, as you salivate over the bodycount and rub your hands together in glee, you will say "I told you so". You are three of a kind, you, Enoch and Sir Oswald. So utterly convinced of your own rightness, that you fail to see how dangerous your opinions can be. Posted by Pericles, Monday, 21 July 2008 3:42:25 PM
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I reckon there's just as many white christian folk that aren't interested in 'Australian values' as there are new Muslim immigrants. The latter just get more publicity for their wrong doings.
'African youths 'perceived' that he was roughing up the youth.. interrogating him.. denying him help (An ambulance had already been called) and so on.. because the youth was black and the Policeman was white.' How do you think that stereotype might have come about? How do you think the 'Males of Middle Eastern appearance' stereotype has come about. I think it's pretty easy to see the source of the problem. Posted by Usual Suspect, Monday, 21 July 2008 3:55:57 PM
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“Boazycrap…”
Aaaah haaa hahahhaaa...haha….ho…… huh……....oow! . . . . . .not nice CJ! But funny. Aaaaaaahaaaahahahahaha! Posted by Ludwig, Monday, 21 July 2008 9:33:09 PM
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“My answer is, that I do not have the right not to do so.”
Enoch Powell said this in reference to the expression of his concerns about multiracial immigration in Britain. This statement was followed by an apparently unanimous ‘here here’ from the audience and sweeping applause. So he was speaking to an audience that was very much onside with his views. He was sacked the following day. But support for him within the community quickly became monumental. “If Enoch Powell had stood to be leader of the conservative party, he’d have had a landslide at that weekend [after his speech] and I dare say if he had then stood to be prime minister, he’d have had a national landslide. It was that dramatic; the degree of support and the intensity of it” [Lord Heseltine] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_jXoTpPnzU&feature=related Given the amount of support that he received, and the fact that he undoubtedly presented his views with the quality of life of his constituents in mind, as is the role of an elected representative, he should not have been sacked…and should most definitely have been reinstated. From that day to this, comments like his can’t be made without many people crying absolutely foul about the very expression of those views. This is extraordinary. The debate needs to be entertained….and the person who delivers an opinion that some don’t like should not be vilified for it. . “…you fail to see how dangerous your opinions can be.” Pericles, I’ve got to disagree with your criticism of Boaz, um Boazycarp.. noh I mean Polycarp. Do you really think that the expression of opinions such as those of Powell or Polycarp dangerous? What about the complete non-expression or suppression of views like these, which a large section of the [British and Australian] community clearly share? How dangerous would that be? Posted by Ludwig, Monday, 21 July 2008 9:36:52 PM
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All you have to know is the set circumstances within a society and you can predict with a general, fair guess.
The director of "Children of Men" a couple of years ago gave a prediction for Englands future, in his quite amazing film.
I think generally that viewpoint will actually come to pass. The only thing missing between the films plot and real life is the automatic weapons the radical Islamics had in the movie. That situation will, of course, change as Islam continues with her plan for global conquest. Guns will pour into GB.
Now!...to get a clear picture of the future you are going to have to turn to prophecy-from-God as in the Book of Revelation.
Johns Revelation shows the way it is going to be...and it doesnt matter what anyone thinks about this vision.
The Holy Spirit Confirms it to all born again christian believers as being the 100% truth.