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Enoch Powell.. a man ahead of his time?

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LUDWIG... I watched that video. fascinating mate.

How strange.. and also how 'telling'...that 1000 labor dock workers were on the streets the following day!.. all yelling support for a radical right wing Tory -Powell..and meat workers from Smithfield market in London saying:

"This race relations issue goes well beyond the field of politics and trade unions matters, it is an issue of national importance, as important to us as Dunkirk...(this is a labour unionist speaking) The issue is not about colored immigration but about denial of free speech to us the English in our own land"

I suggest...that if ever a time bomb was set.. it was set by this supression of free speech...and if anyone thinks the sentiment has dissappeared.... perhaps they might like to do more reading.

I sometimes wonder what the outcome would be if the various large contingents of soccer hooligans(10s of 1000s) stopped fighting among themselves and focused their rage against 'the other'? The timer seems to be counting down.. but who knows...

Perhaps the English will simply read OLO and Pericles posts and become instantly enlightened..... and it will all go away.
Posted by Polycarp, Monday, 4 August 2008 5:27:53 PM
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Powell said:

"Some say this is impossible.. others say that is impossible.. but I say anything which is in the true interests of this country is always possible"

He was referring to voluntary repatriation of some migrants.

His demise was orchestrated by the Left..which suddenly became organized.

Considering the volume and breadth of his true support "If he stood for leader that weekend.. he would have had a landslide" (Hesseltine)

Then..it rather begs the question.. "if the 'right' became more organized....?"

By 'right' here..I'm speaking of those to the left of stormfront and white pride groups.. i.e.. those who actually do have a broader less overtly racist view of people.

Comments like those of CJ are simply parroting of the same leftist rants which subsequently followed Powell at his public meetings.

Who were these people ? who's interests were they serving? how much of what they did was done to achieve a political socialist agenda, which depended on the migrant vote?
So in the end.. once is forced to ask "How valid" was that outrage and how representative?
Posted by Polycarp, Monday, 4 August 2008 5:41:03 PM
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The old story of looking, walking and sounding like a duck comes to mind, Boaz.

>>All I did was report the speech and show the historical increase in race related riots since it occurred<<

Given your history of support for "ONE NATION, ONE RACE, ONE CULTURE" (your caps, by the way, not mine), I assumed that this was just another trawl for the same conclusion.

Have you perhaps resiled from this position? If so, do tell. It will save me a lot of time.

>>I disagree that his speech had much to do with increased racial tension<<

You clearly were not living in the UK at the time, as I was. The increase was instant, palpable and vicious.

Your summary of Southall is straight from the BNP propaganda machine.

>>Racist perceptions of legitimate police work in an area of high crime... The tyrannical "we will stop it" attitude to a lawful peaceful BNP rally scheduled for the area.<<

You assume that the attitude of the London bobby was invariably racially benign, which flies in the face of history.

The phrase “peaceful BNP rally” is also a contradiction in terms. Their entire objective was to create as much disturbance as they possibly could. And bash heads along the way.

Your naivety – or deliberate self-delusion – is particularly apparent here:

>>How strange.. and also how 'telling'...that 1000 labor dock workers were on the streets the following day!.. all yelling support for a radical right wing Tory -Powell...<<

The parallels with the Whitechapel marches will have escaped you Boaz. Both Mosley and Powell were masters at reaching the bigotry and fear of the working class.

The term “National Socialist” was not coined by accident, Boaz. It was born of an awareness that if you want to reach the working man, the engine-room of dissidence and revolution, you do not call yourself “Tory”.

This is also classic:

>>if ever a time bomb was set.. it was set by this suppression of free speech<<

The Smithfield meat workers' concept of free speech was the freedom to shout “go home n!gger”, I'm afraid.
Posted by Pericles, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 10:38:57 AM
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Enoch Powell was a highly intelligent man. He was M.P. for Wolverhampton which had seen a huge influx of Afro-Carribeans and other foreign nationals and he was reflecting the concerns and anxieties of his constituents.

I could not agree with the florid language in this speech, but what he was trying to do was alert the government and the general population of Britain to the immense infrastructure problems which such a large population increase brought, and the loss of social cohesion which resulted.

When the native population are unable to find affordable housing to buy or even to rent, are unable to access health and hospital services, are unable to find places for their children in schools, and roads and public transport are clogged and overcrowded, these are the things which raise public ire and concern about immigration, and not the nationality of the immigrants. The same situation has arisen with the more recent huge influx to Britain by Poles, Bulgars, and Romanians etc, so this is not about colour of skin but about the diminution of the quality of life of native inhabitants.

It was convenient for the anti-racists at the time, as now, to see this situation solely through the prism of their liberal monocles although at that time the anti-racists were largely talking through their pockets as the immigrants were a source of cheap labour in jobs in shops, as housemaids, cafes and restaurants thereby keeping costs down for the middle classes. It was the middle classes who protested so loudly about Powell as they saw the possibility of losing their domestic servants and they could no longer exploit such a labour market. Much the same is blatantly happening in North America with the Mexican and Latin-American immigrants who are similarly being exploited as cheap labour by plantation owners, farmers, and the wealthy as cheap labour. But of course they would not wish this to be widely known, so they jump on the anti-racism bandwagon.

So howls of `Racism' on these issues have to be taken with a very large pinch of salt.
Posted by ChazP, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 4:28:32 PM
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Chas it was actually the Enoch of our time that brought in Labour from third world countries to fill the mundane jobs in Health and Transport. After this creation he then artfully blamed them for the countries ills.
Conservatives are inclined to create racism or engineer it to divide working people. While working people are looking over their shoulder feeling hatred for their neighbours they are not aware of those that are ripping them off the Capitalist and Ru;ing Classes. The Ruling Class Media will always create scapegoats in Society they did it with the Jews and the Irish in the thirties, The Blacks in the Sixties and the Arabs in the nineties. Next it will be the Polish or Russions in the twenty first century. Working class people now adore negro footballers and singers the clolour of the skin is no longer an issue because the black and white children mingle and grow up together at school. Religion is now the divider whether it be Catholic, Protestant, Muslim unknowingly it is a form of tribalism or RACISM.
Posted by Bronco Lane, Thursday, 7 August 2008 9:34:39 PM
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