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US/NATO bombers to NOT be executed

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Antiseptic,

Likewise, I’m not surprised to hear this coming from an apologist for the head hackers and human bombs. It was to be expected that you would seek to obfuscate the issue. But there IS a CLEAR difference between INTENTIONALLY killing civilians and ACCIDENTALLY killing civilians who are being used as shields by the terrorists.

There IS a qualitative difference between these two acts. More importantly there is a quantative difference. Accidental civilian deaths at the hands of the Coalition are far, far rarer than Taliban/AlQaeda deliberately inflicted civilian deaths. The fact that you deny this shows your complete and utter disregard for the truth.

For all you know, the deaths could have been caused by a drop-short. They kill coalition forces as well. It could have been bad targeting information or malfunctioning weaponry. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ8HKkDr7y0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=494wk4R2lC0

In fact there have been a significant number of coalition blue-on-blue casualties during this war. Do you think they don’t care about killing their own? Accidents happen during wartime.
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hx3TPX0wVjmZ6cxJaIz2JdcLIh3g
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_fire#Incidents_and_persons

The way you decide whether the coalition is doing the right thing is look at how they operate and what happens 99% of the time. Coalition forces do not target civilians for attack. Al Qaeda and the Taliban have made it their specialty. There is the simple but vital difference. Your attempts to muddy the waters on this issue are not surprising but are still offensive.

Finally, we get to the fact that the Taliban and Al Qaeda have been known to get villagers to lie about casualties to make things difficult for Coalition countries in Afghanistan and at home. For all we know it could have been a Taliban IED that the villagers stepped on.
http://www.afghanconflictmonitor.org/2008/07/isaf-denies-kil.html

You should be more honest about your support for Al-Qaida, Hamas and the Taliban and your hatred of America and Israel. You wouldn’t support the war even if NO civilians were killed.
Posted by Paul.L, Saturday, 19 July 2008 11:22:44 AM
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"Coalition forces do not target civilians for attack."

During the current Iraq War the U.S. use of radioactive Depleted Uranium weapons increased from 375 tons used in 1991 to 2200 tons.

Geiger counter readings at sites in Baghdad record radiation levels 1,000 and 2,000 times higher than background radiation. The Pentagon has bombed and contaminated Iraq.

The Pentagon asserts that there are no "known" health problems associated with DU but Army training manuals require anyone who comes within 75 feet of any DU- contaminated equipment or terrain to wear respiratory and skin protection.

Dr. Souad N. Al-Azzawi is Associate Professor at Mamoun University for Science & Technology, Iraq and a member of the Brussells Tribunal Advisory Committee. Excerpts from researchers presented at the 3rd ICBUW International Conference Hiroshima, August 3-6, 2006:

"1998: Alim Yacoub et al presented an analysis of recorded cases of registered malignant diseases among children under 15 years of age in Basrah for the period (1990 – 1997). This analysis showed a rise of 60% in children’s leukemia from 1990 to 1997. Also, a 120% increase in all malignant cases among children under the age of 15 for the same period were registered.

"The study also showed the shift of age distribution of leukemia cases towards younger, than 5 years of age from 13% in 1990 to 41% of total cases in 1997.

"1998 Al-Sadoon, et al showed a three fold increase in congenital malformations registered cases in 1998 compared to 1990. Congenital heart diseases, chromosomal aberrations, and multiple malformations all indicate exposure to teratogenic environmental factor.

"Occupation forces prohibited UNEP, WHO and other international agencies to conduct any exploration programs to assess the health risks to the people of Iraq of these radioactive contaminants."

Depleted uranium does not distinguish between combatants and non-combatants and causes indiscriminate harm and unnecessary suffering. The use of DU is a crime against humanity.

Depleted uranium use, from the 2003 invasion, will now impact on the innocent civilians of future generations, long after this war has been relegated to the annals of history.

And good men will maintain their silence.
Posted by dickie, Sunday, 20 July 2008 12:32:14 AM
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Paul L., 350 words of rant and you didn't address anything I said. The fact is that attacking sites in the knowledge of the presence of civilians has no qualitative difference to so-called "terrorist" attacks. In both cases the attacker is choosing to kill civilians in order to advance their aims. Claiming otherwise simply shows one to be either biased or stupid. which one fits you?

I'm not going to get into your silly propaganda game, since all you have to offer is "we might be bad, but they're REALLY bad". Two wrongs don't make a right and Israel has been wrong in their attacks on civilian-occupied areas too many times for me to excuse it as "accidental".

It seems to me that you're nothing but a nasty, jingoistic, anti-Goy who will accept any kind of atrocity as long as it's committed by Israel. Hardly a worthy product of the great traditions of Jewish thought.
Posted by Antiseptic, Sunday, 20 July 2008 7:59:46 AM
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They do not care how they or their families died, nor why their possessions and homes lie in ruins. They are dead and their livelihoods and loved ones are destroyed. Whether it was an 'accident', negligence or deliberate the result is death (despite your claims, they are targeted deliberately and certainly the decisions to invade a country like this knowing that villagers will die is a deliberate decision as are the deliberate choices in rules of engagement).
Posted by Steel, Sunday, 20 July 2008 7:17:59 PM
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Anti septic – “The fact is that attacking sites in the knowledge of the presence of civilians has no qualitative difference to so-called "terrorist" attacks. In both cases the attacker is choosing to kill civilians in order to advance their aims.” What stupid statement! They would just put human shields everywhere and nato could not bomb anything then!

Use your brain antiseptic before posting again! Stop wasting peoples time!

Dickie ammunition with uranium in it is need to piece modern amour that’s why they used it! I have posted this before but here are the number of children who have died before we stepped in to elevate the situation in Iraq. http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/sanction/iraq1/sanclook.htm

Steel – You obviously suffer from a sever case of intellectual dwarfism seeing that you can not tell the different between collateral damage and the deliberate targeting of civilians. If as you ignorantly claim think that they are targeting civilians firstly what do you think the purposes of this is? And secondly why don’t they target areas where there are more civilians to kill like bazaars in central Kabul?
Posted by EasyTimes, Sunday, 20 July 2008 8:31:22 PM
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EasyTimes:"They would just put human shields everywhere and nato could not bomb anything then"

You mean they'd actually allow a civilian populace to exist!!?
Just like the civilian populace in Israel!!?
What dastards, blow 'em all up!

Dolt.
Posted by Antiseptic, Sunday, 20 July 2008 8:37:45 PM
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