cont,

It is you who is regurgitating the rubbish propaganda I read everyday on the socialist alliance, and green left websites (never referenced by the way; although why would they, they’re preaching to the uneducated and unquestioning choir).

I specifically addressed your claims that there was no qualitative difference between Amrosi and Coalition Forces. I demonstrated that this was an illogical and unsupportable belief. You haven’t bothered to respond because it is clear to even the thickest that there IS a clear qualitative difference.

Dickie,

To back up your claims you produce a letter to Clinton about DU in the FIRST Gulf War, 20 years ago.

You don’t have a clue what you are talking about.

“ Since 2003, the US DoD and VA have tested more than 2,100 Iraq war veterans for DU exposure and the UK MoD has tested approximately 350 veterans. There have reportedly been few positive test results”

“ Urine samples of Iraqi civilians and US military personnel in Iraq were found to contain … Minuscule amounts of DU … ”
http://www.wise-uranium.org/dissgw.html#LAMIQ04

As Jayb pointed out DU is used in penetrator ammunition, most often in anti-tank rounds. These rounds are NOT being used in Afghanistan. Nor have they been used in Iraq since the Iraqi army was defeated.

BTW, If you knew anything beyond what you read in green left magazine, you would know that US and Australian troops were sprayed with agent orange in Vietnam, because it was believed to be harmless. The same can be said for the private use of DDT and other cancer forming chemicals in civilian gardens and farms.

Steel,

You say >> “Stop dismissing criticism as yank-hating. It really shows you up as I indicated before:”

And yet you say >> “Why would it be a bad thing to hate Americans for their foreign policy”

Mate you should stop dressing up your criticisms as anything other than the Yank hating which it is. This infection of the soft-left is a leftover of the defeated old-left anti-capitalist dogma, that singled the US out as the great capitalist evil.

Paul, I provided many examples of murder, by eyewitness and those partaking in it. To deny otherwise is literlally crazy...just look at my earlier comment with the evidence. Btw there is such a thing as criminal negligence and disregard and that's why if someone set off a bomb in a restaurant with the intent of killing an alleged criminal inside, you would be convicted of multiple murder charges for killing everyone.

I've never denied human shielding doesn't exist (on both sides). I wrote in the context of it's usage, it is more often than not a propaganda excuse to kill everyone in a building. The excuse is disgusting.

PaulL>".Where is your evidence that these dead militants are civilians."

Perhaps you should read the corresponding quotation. Such claims cut both ways.

PaulL>"You’re saying the people killed by the Taliban/Al-Qaida are the Coalition’s fault."

In a certain sense, of course it is. Who invaded whom? If there was no invasion in the first place, all those building would be standing and those mass graves would be empty of the dead Afghani people.

As for "antiseptic", look it up in the dictionary. You may be correct in your guesses, but by making such proclamations you both strike me as less patriotic to our country Australia and more patriotic to America, because of your constant fawning and attentiveness to anything that appears to criticise the USA for it's egregious crimes. You are exactly like idiots who go around calling everyone anti-semites. Such sympahies for the USA are traitorous to Australia in some contexts, as you can never be trusted to be impartial when it comes to American interests. Ironically, you become mere pawns by being so accomodating and apologetic to the USA. make no mistkae that if it served their interests, they would drop the Australian alliance in a heartbeat. They do not care for your tears and loyalties to America. Even Gibo expressed an interest in destroying Australia by becoming a US state.

No, Paul, it is actually you who are infected by an idolisation of America that compromises Australian security and interests.

Paul.L

Resorting to the ad hominem to support your baseless argument, reduces your credibility.

Your lack of credibility is also exacerbated by your totally unprovoked attack when you state:

"To back up your claims you produce a letter to Clinton about DU in the FIRST Gulf War, 20 years ago.

"You don’t have a clue what you are talking about."

I may make that same statement to you Paul.L. Clearly you are totally ignorant on environmental toxicology. What difference does it make when DU contaminated members of the armed forces or civilians? Depleted uranium is bioaccumulative. Do you understand?

Then you go on to make a complete goose of yourself by suggesting that those who oppose your opinion are all socialists or left-wing greenies. How very pathetic.

"BTW, If you knew anything beyond what you read in green left magazine, you would know that US and Australian troops were sprayed with agent orange in Vietnam, because it was believed to be harmless."

What scant knowledge you possess on organochlorines. The history of subterfuge on dioxins by governments and corporations, I will not enter into here with you since it would be a waste of time. However, I assure you that Monsanto, one of the suppliers of Agent Orange to the US military for the "defoliation" of Vietnam, was well aware of the serious health impacts of Agent Orange in the 60's. This toxin continued to be supplied by Monsanto and continued to be sprayed over Vietnam by the US forces.

That Monsanto escaped prosecution places the US government in a very poor light indeed.

In fact, despite the international consensus among toxicologists, the major compound in Agent Orange - 2,4,5-T was still in use in Australia in the late 80s, even though it was banned in the US during the 70s.

And I reiterate, chemical warfare, which impacts on innocent civilians (including unborn children) denies the basic rights and freedoms to which all humans are entitled.

That also includes the rights of the unborn children of the perverse and evil Taliban.

http://www.mindfully.org/Pesticide/Monsanto-Coverup-Dioxin-USEPA15nov90.htm

http://www.utvet.com/agentorange.html

As usual.. brother/comrade STEEL is showing his total naivity and lack of knowledge about how wars work and how insurgents make use of civilians.

Well.. having now given all the attention to his
little ideological drool that it deserves...

tata.

And you BOAZ, demonstrate how you empty your words are by supplying no analysis in your comment.

What makes you think the terms "brother", or "comrade", apply to me? I would have thought they would be more suitable to a religious homophobe such as yourself, who desires an Australian theocracy.